Sandusky Bay agents profile Hispanics, use slur 'wetbacks'

Three very large corporate farms in Huron County "harbor wets."
Jessica Cuffman
Jan 19, 2013

 

So said Agent in Charge of the Sandusky Bay U.S. Border Patrol, Cory Bammer,  according to court documents filed in federal court Thursday.

"Wets" is a shortening of the term "wetback," a derogatory racial slur used against people of Hispanic or Mexican descent.

In the email reviewed by attorneys suing the Border Patrol and Bammer, he allegedly told his agents in an email that cooperation with Huron County law enforcement is important because of the three large farms — and the people who work there.

"That doesn't meet my view of the way that we should be in the United States of America," said attorney Leslie Murray, one of several lawyers representing five individuals and two organizations in a lawsuit filed against the agency in 2009.

To read a copy of the brief filed in an appeal to keep courts from dismissing the case, click below.

To read more about the history of the case and Murray had to say about the appeal, pick up a copy of Saturday's Register.

Comments

mikel

What a surprise to see a murray involved in a lawsuit! Hopefully any money won will be paid in pesos.

Floyd P

What professionalism. Not setting a good example as a representative of the US Government. But a fine example of not using good judgement where everyone knows by now that anything written on a computer is subject to public display.

Contango

Good point. Think of emails like post cards - anyone can potentially read what you wrote.

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2cents

Why do I feel that recently the PC police have been everywhere?

WiredMamba666

Maybe because you send a lot of racist emails?

John Harville

Good one!!!

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2cents

Not sure how you equate lazy people living off the system a race?

deertracker

Not sure how you equate farm workers and laziness!

Swamp Fox

Clearly this was a lack of judgement on the officer's part but a law suit, give me a break. Classic case of creating litigation for monetary reward and not much else. Would the Murrays file a lawsuit if someone called them a "McTigue" a term used to refer to Irish Catholics? Germans were referred to as "krauts", Italians, Poles, and persons of Jewish decent were referred to as various derogatory terms, yet they came into this country legally.

The present administration now refer to illegal immigrants as undocumented workers, what ever they are called they are illegal....

The various derogatory terms some people use to refer to law enforcement officers, but are protected under free speech, which must now must be a one way street.

WiredMamba666

Tell us some of your favorite derogatory terms for Jews?

John Harville

it wasn't just one comment.... but pries the can of worms open farther.
Recall a summer or two ago when a group of teens was stopped near Border Patrol offices... but only one was held for questining? The Hispanic youth? Ooops. He was born here - but looked 'wet'.
As for other nationalities: Archie Bunker was the only one who got away with K..., S...., P......, - but he wasn't a federal agent.

deertracker

Lack of judgement? Sounds like standard operating procedure to me.

feedthetrolls

lets worry about if the cops are getting the job done instead of them calling people names behind their back

deertracker

Is racial profiling part of their job?

Second Opinion

In the trade we would call masons 'brickies', not a slur but a defining of the work they performed. Name a person out in the field working that doesn't get a wet back! 2cents hit the nail on the head.

WiredMamba666

The term does not refer to being wet from work. It refers to being wet from crossing the Rio Grande. Thus, it is not a description of a work activity, it is a slur against national origin.

SamAdams

...or merely a shortened form of the crime committed. "Oh, look, he has a wet back from crossing the Rio Grande in the dark of night to gain illegal entry into this country where he can steal welfare benefits, jobs, public schooling, and other goodies from hard-working LEGAL citizens."

Do I approve of name calling? No. But at least calling people names doesn't cost anybody anything and, despite the lawsuit, isn't illegal. WHO's the criminal here? Really?

John Harville

Oh Samantha... being in the United States illegally is NOT a crime - not even a misdemeanor. Just ask the dead pilots who flew the planes into the Towers. Just like using your mother's gun at the firing range isn't illegal until you use it to kill her and 25 other innocents.
The crime - if indeed there be one - is failing to determine the status before employing ANYONE, even you and me.

SamAdams

Sorry, nope: Being in the country without permission to be in the country (whether it's a tourist visa - which several of the 9/11 hijackers had but then overstayed - or a green card) is, indeed, a crime. That's why people can be deported. Those who are supposed to keep our borders secure often don't BOTHER with the deportation, but they COULD.

Hiring someone here illegally is also against the law. Enforcement of that statute would result in Mitt Romney's much-maligned notion of "self deportation" in relatively short order. But those who are supposed to keep our borders safe frequently can't be bothered with that kind of thing either.

And for the record, using my mother's gun at the firing range MAY be illegal. Depends on my own eligibility status, now, doesn't it?

John Harville

@Sam Adams... It depends on what 'is' is.
ENTERING the country without permission IS illegal and punishable by deportation.
However BEING in the country is not illegal. Pizzes u off does't it? Check state courts and Supco. California Supreme Court ruled illegal alien could get in-state tuition break. SUPCO refused to hear case.
The only lawbreakers are the owners who hire persons who entered illegally - regardless of race or point of origin.
If YOU ever fill out a job application, YOU will be asked if you have a right to work in this country.

deertracker

"or merely a shortened form of a crime committed" You sound absolutey RIDICULOUS. These farms and landscaping businesses bring these people here to do a job. Stop trying to blurr what is really going on here.

Bluto

Sam , If your ok with humiliating people to make yourself feel better I guess it doesn't cost you anything .

John Harville

Don't feed the racists. Oooops. Now they're gonna get offended.

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2cents

(wet from crossing the Rio Grande)

There is a boarder crossing, be legal and use it!

John Harville

How would their backs get wet crossing from Canada?

OMG.LOL.WT_

Perhaps the agent should be taken to task for actions and not what was said.
If the very large corporate farms harbor Illegals, is it not his duty to do more than talk about it?. If he is Agent in Charge and does nothing about it, what good is he?

WiredMamba666

Yes, most people do their jobs better when they can freely use racial slurs.

John Harville

He can do his job without racial slurs. He cannot even call the workers 'illegal' He CAN refer to the 'possible' or 'alleged' presence of illegal immigrants.
The Patrol can question the owners of the farms to present papers (you know, those applicatins we all fill out?) on all their workers.
Unless, however, they have demonstrated cause, they cannot ask for identification or Green Cards from individuals any more than they can ask you for ID because you're parked on The Pier.

deertracker

Ever heard of "stop and frisk"?

John Harville

deer... ever heard of the Fourth Amendment? Due cause? Right to be secure in your person? The 10th Amendment?
Because cops do it, doesn't make it legal. Probable cause applies - as even Mayor Bloomberg is finding out.
While everyone is jumpin' to defend the 2nd, the other nine are going to hall.l

Just Thinkin

Good Luck Guys, Remember push 1 for English,

John Harville

Just... tip... Push 2 and you'll get a live operator a LOT faster!!

luvblues2

Any illegal or legal Hispanic had to cross water to get in the USA. So did the Day-gos, the micks, the krauts, the limeys and the nigres...BFD. Get over it. I'm half Hunky, Btw. And I don't care.

WiredMamba666

Your half-white and half...white? I guess you'd be in a position to know who's being overly sensitive about race.

If a person sues a goverment agency over its use of a racial slur that's direct at a minority group that's REVERSE RACISM against white people!

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(REVERSE RACISM)

Does not exist! Racism is racism, who would be the two groups to be reversed? There are hundreds of different peoples in this country.

deertracker

No such thing as "half white" in America. You are either white or you are NOT! Your rules!

John Harville

blue2 WRONG! Hispanics can enter from Canada without crossing water.
Does it hurt when your Hunky half opens his mouth?

luvblues2

A Hispanic had to cross water somewhere to get into Canada, brother John. :)

John Harville

Oh Luv!!! He coulda been born in Canada... from generations of Hispanic Canadians. But if he crosses the border, he is crossing illegally without touching water. Does that hurt? Being stupid? It should!

John Harville

blues... and I can tell by looking you that somewhere in the woodpile is an ancestor who came from Hungary?

JUST US FOR LIBERTY

The only victims and crime here are the United States taxpayers that have to pay law enforcement and the court system for this BS. Our forefathers who founded our country would have laughed over anyone thinking name calling harms and deserves any compensation for it. Our legal system has become out of control. It's time to pass new laws that protect the majority of our population. We can start by no victim = no crime.

WiredMamba666

The names of the victims start on page 27 of the attached PDF.

JUST US FOR LIBERTY

Please allow me to correct you. The names of people YOU think are victims start on page 27. By all means continue your replies. I support freedom of speech. As for me, this fiasco taking up my valuable time is over right now.

John Harville

just Us.... the 'majority of our population' quickly is becoming a different color from you and me.

No victim no crime.... If you are arrested because someone says you solicited sex or drugs or... from them. You get booked. You get your name in the paper. But you didn't do any of that or you aren't the pervert you are accused and arrested for being. And it's all dismissed - even expunged - then you aren't a victim of false identification? You lose your job, your record remains five years. Lots of people read your name in the paper. But it was all a mistake. Too late.

deertracker

You can be a victum without a crime being committed. Your post proves it.

John Harville

Deer. Don't confuse 'legal' victim with an attitude someone is a victim.

Bluto

JUST US ( who is us ? whites only ) FOR LIBERTY . By the way most of our forefathers owned slaves . Of course they would have laughed.

THED0N

I heard the Sandusky Bay U.S. Border Patrol has a job opening!
Time for this person to find a new field of employment.

Cobbwebb12345

This county is unfortunate. Because of the language used in these blogs. if the feds do not respond properly and fathfully,there soon be bloodshed.

EZOB

Sticks and stones may break your bones but names will never ? Wow, another good ole saying down the drain. I don't like racial slurs but I always thought of a "W@@@@@k" as someone who crossed our Southern Border Illegally. Prosecuted or not, it is a felony and they are felons. I don't really care how anyone refers to a felon and they don't deserve respect much less Health Care and all the freebees.

John Harville

EZ yeah, that's one of the joys of Life in America. Step out of the water in the Gulf and you're a legal alien because you came from Cuba or somewhere in the Caribbean. Step out of the Rio Grande and you're illegal. Come in from Canada and nobody notices because you're prolly Caucasian - so then you can take lessons to learn how to take off in a plane but not how to land cuz you won't need to....
Being in the US illegally is NOT a felony.

John Harville

EZ Since the 1920s 'wetback' has been a derogatory term for ANY person of Hispanic or Latino - especially Mexican - ancestry whether immigrant or natural-born.
The fact that you refer to it as a slur just supports that notion.

Bluto

So EZ , before you call someone a racial slur , you get all their info before so you are legit . That's mighty white of you . ; ))))

John Harville

This truly is unfortunate in light of the formation of a Downtown Block Watch. No one has answered the question about 1) what type of training the civilians will have 2) whether they will be allowed to carry 3)while they will be trained in 'self defense' are they supposed to approach/contact questionable persons? 4)will they be thoroughly screened? 5)How will Sandusky's Finest assure there's no George Zimmerman among them?
Now that 'profiling' is 'acceptable' AND bar patrons can c/c it should be an extremely interesting spring and summer - especially when the CPs get here.

Kimo

Re: "I'm half Hunky, Btw. And I don't care."

jó reggelt

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John Harville

The Puritans sent Roger Williams and Catholics to Rhode Island.
Four Quakers who were banished from Plymouth Colony but returned were executed as illegal immigrants.
And lest we forget, the FIRST residents of Texas, Arizona, New Mexico and California were - oops - Mexican. And after the triumph in 1846 they suddenly were Americans. There are a lot of Hispanics who can trace their family trees way beyond yours or mine to the first Spaniards and Portuguese. So what does that make you? On what ship did your relatives land? Or were they 'later' immigrants through Ellis Island? We had a plan for European immigrants - why not the same for today's immigrants?

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2cents

I have a friend ariving Monday from the Mideast, has a visa, a JOB and family to stay with until on their own. The legal way, the right way. This person waited a number of years to come here, they will apreciate being here, not coming here to live off the system, MY TAX DOLLARS AND SOME OF YOURS!

But Oops! I cant have a friend that is not of my kind, I am a racist someone here says, LOL : )

Bluto

The legality of a person doesn't justify racial slurs . If someone called your friend a sand n****r wouldn't that humiliate him and anger you , regardless of his legal status?

John Harville

2 cents... "some of my best friends....". How much did the visa cost? Why 'a number of years'? Define Mideast. Congratulations to your friend. I'm confident you were instrumental in your friend getting the job? For that I congratulate you. Will your friend's nationality be obvious? A whole branch of my family is Jewish and fifth generation legal - and still get profiled at airports because they are dark-complected and suspected as Muslims.
When we see your friend, how will we know he is not 'living off the system'?

Swamp Fox

When Texas, California, New Mexico and Arizona was first settled there wasn't a USA these settlers were similar to all other people who came here before we had a country, goverment or immigration LAWS.
Those "later" immigrants who my ancestors were a part of, did come through Ellis Island and entered LEGALLY. You can attempt to ignore history but that doesn't change it. There is a plan and laws for immigrants today that enter this country in a legal manner, the problem is those who ignore it......

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Yes, I have a problem with those who "ignore it" because there are people who wait their turn. I have a friend who chose to go to college in Russia because the time period to come to the US at that time was long. He is now here and gainfully employed in the dental field, paying his way, paying his taxes and supporting himself. I have a problem with those who just want to come over illegally, send earnings home, pay no taxes, freeload off of the system, sometimes cause trouble and are hard to find. If they do it the legal way and pay their fair share I have no problem. My ancestors came here to escape the rule of England in 1635, yes we are almost all immigrants that built this country and I am saddened to see the current administration working around the constitution my ancestors helped write as well as fight for!

Swamp Fox

2cents, I could not agree with you any more, great comments...

deertracker

Did your ancestors have a green card? Show us!

Swamp Fox

deertracker, by going through Ellis Island and following the law at that time they did have the "green card" of that time...

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John Harville

There wasn't a USA in 1840? Well, Texas actually was its own Republic.
I'm not ignoring history. Your relatives were among the 12 million who came through between 1892 and 1954. Before 1855 there was no processing center - the ship passenger list was given to Customs and people made their declarations.
1855-1890 10 million came through Castle Garden into New York for processing.
Immigration was left to individual states. In 1875 Congress passed a law putting it in the hands of the government under "The Commerce Clause" - the same one used for Obamacare. But the Federal government didn't take charge until 1890.
"The Problem" is the $800 for a Green Card and a naturalization test I'm guessing you couldn't pass.

Contango

John Harville writes:

"And lest we forget, the FIRST residents of Texas, Arizona, New Mexico and California were - oops - Mexican."

No, they were citizens of Spain.

Mexico only controlled TX for 15 yrs.

John Harville

Contango... as the caucasians in the Americas were 'citizens' of Great Britain/France/Spain? Regardless, they were not residents of the United States (of which there was none) the same as the British subjects who crossed the Alleghenys were 'citizens' of France.
The one who wins the war gets to write the history.
But before it all, all of us in the Western Hemisphere are "Americans" - even those of us who came prior to 1700.

Contango

@ John Harville:

(Clapping)

A "superb" example of: If you can't dazzle 'em with your brilliance, (attempt) to baffle with your bull (bleep). :)

Swamp Fox

Bottom line, illegal, undocumented workers, or what ever term is proper, but in the end they are illegal and cost the taxpayers money and legal workers jobs. Is Murray & Murray in this case because of their social conscience or for the money, I think we all know the answer to that.

Bluto

No , the bottom line is regardless of legal status racial slurs have NO place in these officers reports.

John Harville

Swamp... Are you gonna go pick pickles? Plant and harvest tomatoes? Farm grapes? For minimum wage? Where are all the Americans who want to do these jobs? If they were knocking down the gates to work, would there be a need for migrant workers?
The illegality is by the farmers hiring the workers without checking their status.
But it's hard to hate the white guys, huh?

clubfrog

Q: What is the difference between an illegal immigrant and E.T.?

A: E.T. eventually went home!

clubfrog

Q: Why are the children the ones being hardest hit by immigration reform in the south?

A: Because parents now have to start raising their own children !

There you go again

Murray and Murray?!?! You've got to be kidding! I heard business was slow but this is really scraping the barrel........

The Big Dog's back

We have had right wingers all throughout our history. Washington thinned the herd while he was President. Civil War thinned them out again.

Swamp Fox

dog breath you must be referring to Patroits during both Washington & Lincoln's time, the far left of the time were referred to as carpetbaggers.....

Not going to the 2nd coronation of the messiah, its much like booking on the return voyage of the Titanic....

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2cents

LMAO :)

John Harville

Swamp "Patriots" in the Revolution were adherents to the Father (Pater)land and King aka Tories. That's where the Tea Party Patriots are so confused - the men who dumped the tea and tarred and feathered the boat captains - never were patriots.
"Patriots" in the Civil War were the ones who fought to preserve the Union and the Constitution.
The Far Left in the Revolution were 'carpetbagggers"? Actuallyl the far left in the Revolution were the slaveowners and capitalists who beetched about taxes even after the taxes were lifted by the Crown.
In Andrew Johnson's time (Lincoln was deade before the carpetbaggers rolled in) up to the present the carpetbaggers and their descendants were/are right and far right. Dixiecrats? Southern Republicans? Strom Thurmond? KKK? "White Only"?
Your own Frances Marion was a rightist.

007

So let's get this straight....
If you cross the North Korean border illegally, you get 12 years hard labor. If you cross the Afghanistan border illegally, you get shot. 2 Americans not long ago received 8 years for crossing the Iranian border illegally. If you cross the U.S. border illegally, you get a job, a driver's license, food stamps, a place to live, health care, housing, child benefits, education, and a tax free business for 7 years? No wonder we're a country in debt!! Oh by the way crossing into Mexico illegally ( is equivalent to a felony punishable by two years' imprisonment. Document fraud is subject to fine and imprisonment; so is alien marriage fraud. Evading deportation is a serious crime; illegal re-entry after deportation is punishable by ten years' imprisonment. Foreigners may be kicked out of the country without due process and the endless bites at the litigation apple that illegal aliens are afforded in our country ( for example, Obama's illegal alien aunt — a fugitive from deportation for eight years who is awaiting a second decision on her previously rejected asylum claim). Maybe the U.S. should adopt the same rules and laws that Mexico has!!! Something to ponder for sure!!

Mum-of-One

If America adopted the same rules and laws as Mexico everybody would want to leave. The whole world looks up to America!

happycamper01

Sad to say but not the whole world looks up to our great country. Many Middle Eastern countries and African countries do not. I have also met and spoken to many European who would not want to raise a family in the United States because of the lack of respect,discipline, and poor educational standards in this country. We are known worldwide as "RUDE AND STUPID AMERICANS" because of our poor behavior and lack of support for our educational system. We are failing our children morally, ethically, and educationally. Just look at the many, many, many countries who top us both in appropriate respectful behavior and education. We are supposed to be looked up to but we bring our own downfall and disdain because of our need to have freedom to do and act however we want.

Mum-of-One

America did not get where it is today by being "rude and stupid"!

thinktwice

However, that is where it is at today.

happycamper01

Sure we did. We came and murdered millions of Native Americans. We bought, sold, abused and murdered slaves. We bullied our own citizens of color, and discriminated against them. We did/do the same to other countries under the guise of being protector of the world at times. However, we do try to change but instead of meeting in the middle we go from one extreme to the other. We try to end discrimination but then people toss around the race card when it is not warranted. They call each other slurs then get mad when another race calls them that. We try to parent but then get accused of abuse if we do. We are either too strict or too lenient. Right now we are too lenient in the name of the freedom to do whatever we feel like because it is our right to do so even to the harm or disrescpect of others. It is okay because it is a right to be mean, rude, disrespectful, and a selfish mule. It doesn't matter who you treat this way but don't let someone treat you this way because OMG then it is wrong. This type of thinking is sad and wrong. Whatever happened to following the golden rule? If we did that then we would be back on track to being looked up by the world.

deertracker

Agreed!

Swamp Fox

The problem is everyone is to sensitive and looks to be a victim.....

happycamper01

I am neither liberal nor conservative. I just call things as I see them. And yes, people want to play the victim instead of taking responsibility for themselves all the time.

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happycamper01

It doesn't matter that we didn't start the slave trade. It matters we continued it. I do not see your point of this link but your 2cents is appreciated.

2cents's picture
2cents

I was indicating that it was just something that was done in that period in time; it was accepted as the norm. Today is now and not accepted. I do not have a grudge against the British for killing relatives during the American Revolution. We seem to forget the tyranny they were living under to even think about revolting against the British.

I am a little worried about the recent knee jerk reaction to the Connecticut shooting. It took one month for our elected officials to come up with a firearms ban and yet they cannot balance the budget for two years, the president has not attended a labor meeting in what, six months!

There were masses of people at gun shows this weekend purchasing firearms, the line outside the Medina show was three hours long, I have never waited more than thirty seconds to walk into that show. The administration is using tactics to induce fear into the American people in an attempt to justify his agenda. There were also three firearm discharge accidents at three different shows this weekend. Obviously people are afraid of having their rights taken away. These times are scary when people in power do as they choose and do not listen to the majority.

Bluto

I don't recall the federal government passing any new firearms legislation yet . And , don't you mean the NRA are the ones using fear tactics ? They sure as heck have the gun enthusiast up and out to buy guns . Makes for good business , wouldn't you say?

John Harville

2 cents "Masses at Medina"? Isn't that the one where the "responsible gun owner" shot another one?
When you go to that show, do you complete a background check?
The one I went to required guns be checked at the door - no conceal carry permits allowed.
Watched a guy buy 10 bigguns, then walk outside and sell them from the back of his truck.

Obviously people are being "made afraid" of having their guns taken away - yet NONE of the proposed actions does ANYTHING to take guns.

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2cents

I believe it was a dealer opening a box containing a firearm and that firearm was loaded. Obviously brought in to sell or trade, a very stupid mistake for sure!

The last time there was a huge ammo shortage and a gun grab was when Obama was running the first time, he seems to make comments that stir up the general public, people that are not associated with the NRA. It is about losing a right to purchase, not that anyone needed a firearm that day.

I personally believe that if you wish to purchase or own a firearm you should be required to take the 12 hour gun safety and concealed carry class. You have a picture ID like I do, and with that ID you can purchase a firearm anywhere, even at a gun show. You then become responsible for that firearm. If it ends up being stolen then you better report it fast because if it is used by someone else then you would be responsible. Just like a rifle with a 30 round clip, I see no need to have this for home defense, an automatic or shotgun would be best so you do not kill a neighbor when shooting through the walls. That does not mean that we cannot own one, they are fun to shoot at the range or anywhere you have a clear background.

deertracker

You should have to pay at least 2 cents to post on here.

OMG.LOL.WT_

Happy camper lack of disrespect??????????

John Harville

...obviously HC is one who was educated in the awful US schools.

happycamper01

Actually, HC is educated and works in the social services field. And I don't rank our educational system. It is fact that our educational system falls way behind other countries. However, thank-you for your comment. It makes me feel better about myself and the clients I assist.

happycamper01

Thank-you for pointing out my error but in my defense I think I am doing okay for someone who was in the hospital for the last three days and facing major surgery in Cleveland. However, constructive criticism is always welcome. Again, thank-you for your assistance. It is much appreciated.

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2cents

Good luck with your surgery, we will probably be here when your come out of it, just stay off line until the meds wear off : 0

happycamper01

I know you will be here because you don't have anything better to do on a daily basis. I am on here because I am sick and passing time. However, when I am well I will not be on here because I have much better things to do. It is just funny that my thoughts and ideas while I am sick are much better than yours at any given point of time.

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2cents

LOL, thanks to Droid, I can be here from anywhere! Breakfast at Bob Evans, worked a few hours in the office, more work in Vermillion, we walked the Boat show at the IX Center, dinner in Westlake, enjoyed a nice fire in the pit with a friend and a glass of wine then back to town. I comment here to try and get people to think, this is a small community, I could stop posting tomorrow if I chose….

Maybe I'm your surgeon :0

Bluto

007 , If your ideals are so inline with the countries you mentioned , you can always move to one of them .

Bluto

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happycamper01

I am reading that people are defending illegal immigrants based upon the actions of our ancestors. Well, those are really not valid arguments. We now have a Consitution and laws that rule our nation that we did not have back then. Without laws are country would be in a much worse place than it is now. And how do you think the immigrants feel that came here in the legal and responsible way about the ones who don't? How do you think they feel that they took the time and hard work to apply, take the citizenship test, and become a citizen about those who come here by breaking the law and then try to claim the same rights as true citizens? All countries have immigration laws, not just ours, even Mexico. It may not be a felony but it is still against the law to be here illegally. We have enough citizen criminals so we don't need illegal ones to add to the mix. When they come illegally they automatically become criminals. I don't care if you are Canadian, Mexican, Irish, Australian, Chinese or what not, if you come here do it legally or go home. Besides most of the work that they come for is now being outsourced overseas. Many of our jobs that these people come for are now down in Mexico, South America, or Asia. Let them go work there. Maybe we should all move illegally to these countries to find work. If that happens then they will know what it feels like to have people who are not there legally take their jobs and government services. They would not like it at all. Now as far as the name calling? Yes, officials should know better but I have Hispanic relatives who call me a gringo and they call each other wetbacks. I have African Americans that call each other the "n" word and call us crackers or honkeys. I could go on and on. Name calling is the unfortunate part of being a part of the human race. It is totally not right but people make fun of, fear, or hate things that are different such as race,nationality,sexual orientation,or disability. Again, it is not right. However, it is one thing to call someone else a name (which again is VERY WRONG) but when a race calls themselves a derogatory name or slur, then they have no right to complain when someone of another race does the same. I have never referred to another person by a slur because I believe it is wrong. I also don't ever remember another white person looking at me and calling me a honkey or a cracker. However, I do notice, quite often, that people of different nationalities and races call themselves racial slurs all the time and think it is okay, even cool. It is not okay nor is it cool. It is stupid and ignorant. However, our officials are to be held to a higher standard and should know better. He should be disciplined or terminated because of his poor lack of judgement.

deertracker

Sometimes the terms are used as terms of endearment and you know this. How can you be racist against yourself? Stay on point please!

happycamper01

That doesn't even make sense. The "n" word is the "n" word no matter who says it. It still means the same thing. Redneck is redneck, honky is honky, etc., etc. The only way to take the negative power away from a slur is for all people to realize what the word actually means and to stop using it. I hear people calling each other that and although I know they are joking it is offensive to hear that word and it saddens me to think they want to be called such a bad name/slur in order to take away the words power. It doesn't work that way though.

John Harville

...and ignorant still is ignorant...

happycamper01

Yes, John, you really should stop calling yourself ignorant. You may be but you can rise above it. You can change. LOL

thinktwice

Yo no entiendo

happycamper01

Si entiendo mucho.

deertracker

I just love how some of you are trying very hard to turn this into an illegal immigration debate. Nice try!

happycamper01

I am not trying, just responding to what others have written on here because it didn't make sense but also including that what the agent did is wrong. He needs to be disciplined or terminated.

happycamper01

You are the one who brought up the issue of our ancestors having green cards. Green cards did not exist back then and neither did our immigration laws so you can't base immigration standards today on how our ancestors came to live and be citizens here. It is not a valid argument.

deertracker

I was responding to 2cents. So, since green cards did not exist that made them legal? Once again, this is about racial profiling and getting caught doing it. If you don't want hispanics here do your own work! Rhetorically speaking!

happycamper01

I didn't say I didn't want Hispanics here. If they weren't here I wouldn't have my wonderful nieces and nephews here. I am saying I don't want anyone of any nationality here illegally. There were no laws governing that back then, so,yes, I suppose it did but it did not give them right to steal land from the natives, or continue religious persecution, the slave trade, or many of the other bad things our ancestors did. However, "might makes right" and "survival of the fittest" seem to win out here no matter how wrong it was. And what our ancestors did to the natives and to the slaves was wrong but it can't be undone and to base your defense on how our ancestors behaved is not logical nor reasonable. We can only base this on the laws we have now. If they are not legal or right then repeal them based on what is fair and legal based on what we know now.

The Big Dog's back

The right wingers always blame the lowest person on the Capitalism Totem Pole. Why aren't they angry over the business owners that hire illegals to do work dirt cheap? These workers can't complain or they will be deported. Start at the top, don't destroy the foundation all the time.

happycamper01

Again, I am not a right winger nor a left winger, whatever the heck that might be. I do get angry at the companies that hire illegals. I feel that field work or any work we have should be done by citizens of our country. If someone is getting public assistance and they could work in the fields or another place should be made to do so or lose assistance. I also feel that our inmates should work there as well to pay for their stay in our jails and prisons. I believe that bosses that hire illegals should go to jail. Some do look at Casa Fiesta and I believe IPC as well. They defraud our country and enslave and abuse aliens and should be treated accordingly.

happycamper01

Maybe I am a conservative liberal or a liberal conservative? Maybe I am just stuck in the middle? Yeah, I believe that is where I am. I am a middle winger, lol.

The Big Dog's back

I wasn't referring to you personally.

happycamper01

Ok, sorry.

The Big Dog's back

I'm just saying illegals wouldn't be here if no one would hire them. There are plenty of companies right here in NW Ohio who employ them.

Swamp Fox

dog breath and the party line of class envy, surprising since the illegals have taken jobs from union members/middle class in the construction industry....

The Big Dog's back

And who is hiring them?

Swamp Fox

dog breath, The employer should forfeit their business if convicted of hiring an illegal worker, and the illegal should be jailed and deported after serving their sentence, both would serve as a deterrent. What we are doing isn't working, lets try really enforcing the law with real penalties.....

deertracker

They don't TAKE the job, they are willing to do the job. Everyone gets HIRED in some form. The blame goes to the employer!

Contango

@ deertracker:

Your info is grossly outdated. Mexico's current economic growth rate is "stellar" compared to the U.S.', slowing down the desire for both legal and illegal immigration.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/nath...

gilamonster

The General Law on Population enacted in Mexico in April 2000, which mandates that federal, local and municipal police cooperate with federal immigration authorities in that country in the arrests of illegal immigrants. Under the Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony, punishable by up to two years in prison. Immigrants who are deported and attempt to re-enter can be imprisoned for 10 years. Visa violators can be sentenced to six-year terms. Mexicans who help illegal immigrants are considered criminals. Now the big kicker: The law also says Mexico can deport foreigners who are deemed detrimental to the economic or national interests or violate Mexican law, are not physically or mentally healthy or lack the necessary funds for their sustenance and for their dependents. So why does Mexico criticize the USA, when it is tougher to be undocumented in their own country? I agree with Dog though, if corporations here would just stop using them.

On a brighter note I was reading that the economy has been so bad in America that Mexicans are returning to their homes for lack of work. They can make more assembling Big Three Automotive components such as Lear Mexico or Government Motors Ramos.

happycamper01

That needed to be known. Thank-you and well said!

gilamonster

To apply for and be granted this visa, the applicants must have certain family connections in Mexico, or apply for retirement status and prove they have sufficient monthly income (or substantial assets) to support themselves, or meet a minimum score under the Points System, or be granted political asylum. A corporation that meets minimum point scores may sponsor a worker(s). The financial requirements have been tightened up following the introduction of the new immigration law in 2012. What the heck, you mean one cannot just go to Mexico without job nor money. I was hoping to go there, weave baskets and live on welfare until Ford hires me at $5 a day?! American auto components coming from Mexico is predicted to increase by over 20% over next several years. Nice to know the bailout benefited Mexican and Chinese workers as American non-union Delphi workers got crapped on.

John Harville

"This is my command. I command that you love one another as I have loved you."
- Jesus Christ

Go douche (French for 'shower', Sarah) your souls,Folks.

Swamp Fox

LUKE 8:39 "Return home and tell how much God has done for you."

matt882

Leviticus 19:33-34

Randy_Marsh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ope...
I real border patrol program established in 1954. Calling it "Racist" While neglecting to know whether it was real protocal is jumping the PC gun. Somthing alot of liberal are obviously good at.

shucks

Really, is this news worthy?

Much ado about nothing.

KURTje

Geez, keine Knappheit am Hass hier.

shucks

You sprechen Deutsch pretty gut.

wiredmama222

We had a "meeting" with the head man over at Sandusky Bay station. He was an arrogant arse until we didn't back down. (we reported one of his little rookies)

I can believe they do this sort of thing really easily with the attitude HE had.

The "sticks and stones" rhythm comes to mind but its more the attitude that would get me going. Makes you want to slap em hard right in the kisser.

Kimo

My Hunky dad used the term, "Pepper belly".

It appears to me it's not so much in the "name" as it is in the attitude of the individual using the "name".

Like any pitch, it's all in the delivery.
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KURTje

Warhrer dat Shizzle Mann.

shucks

"Warhrer" does not compute.
Maybe " wort " ?

The General

Mexican chicks dig my "mooseknuckle"

gennycreamale

Maybe these guys need to go back into hiding and lay low to keep themselves out of trouble. What a waste of money. Being a charter captain, I have seen them at their best. Running a night trip out of Lorain, I saw a reflectors on the end of a wall there at 230am. I shine my spot up to the lights and what is it??? A Border patrol agent camped out in his suv! I am sure watching for illegals stealthly sneaking into the US via the port of lorain in October.
Then recently I see another agent camped out in the middle of the day at the entrance to the old bay bridge on the danbury side in the old bait store parking lot with his phone up on the wheel texting away. I am sure texting his crew about more possible illegals squatting in the old bait store or something.
I am all for law enforcement and homeland security and support them as much as possible. However, this gov't waste is insane. The huge new building and fancy tahoe's and boats is just over the top.
This is what you get from "idle hands"

KURTje

"True dat shizzle playa, "True dat." Ja!

shucks

LOL

Ja. Wahre = true

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