Sandusky police respond to shooting

(UPDATED 2:50 p.m.) Area police are still looking for the suspect in a shooting Wednesday night at a car wash in the 500 block of Perkins Avenue. (Click here for 911 call)
Sandusky Register Staff
Jan 17, 2013

 

Sandusky police responded to a counseling center at Hayes Avenue and Pierce Street on Wednesday night for a shooting incident.

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One person was seen being loaded onto a stretcher and placed in an ambulance. Police are taping off a section of parking lot near a gray sedan parked near the center.

(Updated 6:56 p.m.) Police believe the initial shooting occurred in the 500 block of West Perkins Avenue and the victim somehow made it to Hayes Avenue and Pierce Street. The gray sedan is a Mercury Grand Marquis. Police removed a German shepherd from the vehicle.

The victim suffered multiple gunshot wounds, police say. His condition and identity remain unknown.

(Updated 7:25 p.m.) Police are looking for two suspects believed to be involved in the shooting, a woman, Katie Wilson, and an unidentified light-skinned black man who is the suspected shooter. They are driving a red Chevy Monte Carlo.

Police said the man is armed with a revolver and should be considered dangerous. 

Anyone who sees the vehicle or suspects should not approach them and should call 911 or Sandusky police (419-627-5863) immediately.

(Updated 7:38 p.m.) Police say the victim — still unidentified — suffered at minimum a gunshot wound to the chest. He is being transported by medical helicopter to a hospital in Toledo.

(Updated 7:46 p.m.) Police now say they're also searching for a black Cadillac that may be involved.

(Updated 8:09 p.m.) Police say the Grand Marquis belonged to the victim. Officers found evidence of a shot fired into the vehicle.

(Updated 8:51 p.m.) Police say the victim suffered three gunshot wounds, at least one to the chest. His condition is still unknown. Police believe the victim was shot while in a bay of the self-service car wash between Grant Street and West Perkins Avenue in the 500 block of Perkins Avenue behind the closed Big O's bar.

(Updated 12:20 a.m.) The shooting victim is Bartt Carruthers, 49, of Sandusky. He is at a Toledo hospital, but his medical condition is not immediately available. Police have also arrested Katie Wilson, 25, of Sandusky. She was arrested on a warrant, as were two other people — Theresa Purcell, 26, of Sandusky, and Desmond Scott, 43, of Sandusky. The suspected shooter remains at large, Sandusky police detectives said.

Wilson told police she does not know the shooter's identity. Detectives said the shooting is likely the result of a drug deal gone bad.     

(Updated 10:50 a.m.) Police said the suspected shooter has still not been captured. Officers are speaking with witnesses this morning to obtain additional information. Bartt Carruthers, who is at Mercy St. Vincent Medical Center in Toledo, is alive but his condition remains unknown.

(Updated 2:51 p.m.) Police say the shooting victim, Bartt Carruthers, is recovering at Mercy St. Vincent Medical Center in Toledo. He has been stabilized and police investigators are on their way to the hospital to talk to him about Wednesday night's shooting.

Police are still looking for a red Monte Carlo in connection with the incident. Police say they have a "person of interest" and are actively looking for him, though they declined to provide more information about the person's identity.

Police are also interviewing Katie Wilson, who was arrested on unrelated warrants Wednesday night after the incident. Police say she has not provided information about the suspected shooter.

Pick up Thursday's Register for more on this story and check back for information as it becomes available.

Comments

yea right

Just wall in Sandusky. Like in that movie problem Solved

shucks

Escape from New York (1981)

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The tt

Or, as one SPD officer allegedly put it, just send a loaded-to-the-gills B-52 overhead, and let the good Lord sort out the resulting mess.

Weather.78

Boy do I have comments about this - like what goes around comes around. Best I keep my mouth shut. I learned my lesson the cold hard way! Got my act together & Took off running!

patches

WHATS WRONG WITH PEOPLE NOW DAYS EVERYONE GOING CRAZY.PLEASE HEAVEN FATHER WATCH OVER ARE POLICE OFFICER KEEP THEM SAVE.

Good 2 B Me

Why does this have to be religious?

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The tt

How is making a plea to a higher power to protect those who protect us making this a religious issue? Nothing stated about the particular faith, or lack thereof, of any of the involved, or how religion (or lack thereof) could have prevented this. Sounds like you're desperate to find something to offend you.

Good 2 B Me

Yup. That's it! Glad that you understand me. Actually, you have no idea! :)

No, these people always take it their god/saviour or whatnot. So aggravating when I see this junk and the first thing someone does is go to God. God would have prevented it if they would have been praying just a couple hours earlier, right?

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The tt

"God would have prevented it if they would have been praying just a couple hours earlier, right?"

You're the first one to suggest it here, so clearly I'm not the one with the tenuous grip on reality (not to mention spelling, which by the way, is just as AGGRAVATING. Also, unless you're Canadian/British, it's "savior." You're welcome).

Good 2 B Me

Now I see who came to pick a fight! It was you! Ha Ha ha ha ha

EH!!

asweetnessabove

Actually good 2 B me....stop while you're behind. There was no issue until you got involved!

GOD BLESS OUR OFFICERS AND FIRST RESPONDERS, FIRE FIGHTERS ETC!!!!

Good 2 B Me

I think that a shooting was the issue! Then it became about religion! So, HA! I am not behind, but it sure seems that you are scrambling to come up with replies!

KnuckleDragger

No, but it may have been prevented if these people would have valued human life. Something that religion does a good job of teaching. The value of life is not something that atheists spend much time on.

Dont Worry Be Happy

Patches I agree with you. God be with the men and women who go out every day to keep us safe.

Philo Consult

ELYRIA, Ohio, June 7 (UPI) -- Police in Ohio said they arrested a man praying in a church after he allegedly stole four packages of underwear from a store.
Elyria police said Marques Jeter, 24, took four packages of underwear from a Family Dollar store about 4:50 p.m. Sunday and struck the manager in the face after she asked to see his receipt, The (Lorain) Morning Journal reported Tuesday.
The police report said Jeter pushed two customers out of the way as he fled the store.
Officers said they spotted Jeter outside of the nearby United Church of Christ and arrested him while he was praying in an "unintelligible manner" in the basement of the facility.
Jeter was taken [away]

Gotta have the talking in tongues insanity! Any filthy mental scum-bag always claims God, always.

KnuckleDragger

Actually the article I just read stated he was hiding in the church, not actually praying.

shucks

Was he trying on his holy underwear?

heaven-leigh

Yes..keep them safe.

onegirlarmy

katie wilson again!!!!T-R-O-U-B-L-E

snatchblock_445

I was just there too...got home and wife said there was a shooting

my oh my

Yikes shot at least twice in the chest. Crazy stuff.....

luvblues2

Kiddie hour on PBS.

margaritaville88

Is this one 25 yrs. old with a huge record from Norwalk (Kate Wilson).???

onegirlarmy

yep...that be her!!!

KnuckleDragger

Glad she decided to bring her talents to the north beach. She'll fit in alot better in Sandusky.

donutshopguy

Guess my volunteer days at Stein Hospice at the old Providence Hospital are over. Just not going to venturing into a war zone. I have no desire to die.

Unabasho

Shaking in our boots
Pretty safe, still we cower
Nation of cowards?

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The tt

Any word if this is related to major police action around 1800 block of Hancock St., near Brohl and Appel and the old Beer Barrel? Saw 3-4 squad cars there about an hour ago, lights going.

Katelih-Trailer...

If I had to guess..I would guess that the pink/red house was raided for heroin..

BadBoys

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patches

just saying to watch over are police officer .didnt want to make everyone mad ,just so much shoting now days .

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The tt

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Good 2 B Me

Oh yeah! You have me terrified!

Why are you not correcting the grammar in her statement?

onegirlarmy

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onegirlarmy

haaaa!!

shucks

@ Good 2 B Me
No , it's not good to be you.

Good 2 B Me

I love being me! I am much more comfortable being me than any of you might be in being yourselves. I am at least honest. I call it like I see it instead of being a sheep.

shucks

nobody cares

Good 2 B Me

Obviously you do or you would not keep coming back looking to argue somethig so pointless!

shucks

You're right, I've let myself to be suckered by a troll...that being you.

Good 2 B Me

Not a troll. Someone that has a good point of view, which differs from yours. So, you see it fit to attack me!

shucks

How about those drones?
Are they still flying over your head?

KnuckleDragger

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onegirlarmy

lol...right!!

onegirlarmy

hahaaa...too funny!!!remove all the comments you want....people dont forget!!!

patches

i will not post no more on here.

Dont Worry Be Happy

Patches don't let people get to you on these blogs you have every right to say what you feel.

heaven-leigh

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cockynurse

While reviewing your multiple posts, I have found several errors in your spelling and punctuation. Please be thoughtful in your responses to others.

asweetnessabove

Completely agree cocky nurse!

@Heaven-Leigh... Next time just be positive. This wasn't about her grammar, but her lovely way of showing she cared and has a heart. Next time show your heart and wait for a different post and tell her about her spelling, or not since I have seen grammar errors in your other posts as well. No one is perfect and some people just don't have the greatest ability at spelling. My mother went all the way through school and can't spell or use proper grammar to save her life. Oh well, it happens!

KnuckleDragger

Other posts? Heaven-Leigh has punctuation errors in her current post. LOL. Way to bash someone about spelling, punctuation, and grammar, then do it by posting a paragraph riddled in the same problems.

asweetnessabove

Ok, so, I was not bashing about her post. Apparently I dot read the current post correctly. So sue me.

heaven-leigh

True. I sincerely apologize to anyone that I may have offended.

Lil DAB

Patches, don't let someone run you off. Your prayers certainly are appreciated and welcome by more of us than not. Keep praying for ALL our emergency responders whose lives are in danger at any moment by horrible choices made by these despicable people!

asweetnessabove

Do not let small minded people make you feel bad because you have faith in Jesus, God and his choices. You are too precious for that and have a lot of support from fellow religious people.

candleburner

I had gone thru the intersection shortly before then and the only problem that there seemed to be was an accident further up Perkins Ave at Perkins and Milan Rd. I'm not really shocked to see that this happened in that area but at the same time I am shocked that something was going on in two totally different areas at approximately the same time and didn't really see anything.

devilsadvocate

Is that the car wash across from Sandusky High's tennis courts?

Kasey

Yes

gbi

"that area" is a quiet residential area with elderly people that have lived there for many years. Why do people insist on injecting uneducated opinions? Also to Good 2 Be Me, perhaps if more people entertained the idea of a higher power protecting people rather than not giving 2 rats a$$es about human lives, all this violence would stop. I used to like people. Then people ruined it. -_-

heaven-leigh

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Julie R.

QUIET area .... not quite area.

shucks

Ha ha ha
The "pot" messed up again.

(As in: "the pot calling the kettle,black")

KnuckleDragger

LOL. Heaven is really showing her ignorance now. Her spelling and punctuation are on par with a 10 year old.

Katelih-Trailer...

It's much better than a Hole In The Wall motel on Venice Rd..Isn't it?

heaven-leigh

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heaven-leigh

Yes, apparently anything was better than that.

Kasey

The two hours next to it are owned by a middle-aged man and an elderly couple. The houses on the two adjacent corners are owned by elderly couples.
Public records search. It is a quiet area inhabited by the elderly. The car wash, however, is the problem in that neighborhood.
I believe you're thinking of the metro "temporary housing" around the corner of Perkins and Camp street. This is a couple blocks away.

MBR

How is the car wash the problem? The owner works 365 days a year to keep that business running and as safe as possible. It has a regular and friendly clientele. The residents even have a neighborhood watch program--several years ago they banded together to ensure that they would look out for each other and the area to the best of their abilities. Druggies (alleged) can find any place to do their business--it's unfortunate that these particular people chose this location, but crimes happen ALL OVER the city. I was held up at a pizza place in Perkins years ago. I didn't blame the business. It is almost always random and the best thing all of us can do is be aware of our surroundings. Other than that...things simply are going to happen, and some of them won't be pleasant. Fact of life.

Kasey

You're right - the owner does work hard. However, that doesn't mean the car wash itself is safe. I've heard that exact one come across the police scanner a couple times, especially when Big O's was still open. It's an area close enough to large roads and highways, yet secluded and quiet enough to misbehave without being in the open.
Also, while a neighborhood watch may be in effect, since this is an elderly neighborhood, I'd imagine many of these folks have dinner, take a shower, and get into bed early and thus are not watching out their windows for criminals at these times.

luvblues2

"...perhaps if more people entertained the idea of a higher power protecting people rather than not giving 2 rats a$$es about human lives, all this violence would stop. ..." That stuff has been tried since humans have had an "idea". It hasn't worked out so well.

Good 2 B Me

Totally! Millions and Millions of people have been murdered and killed in the name of Gods!

KnuckleDragger

As have they in the name of atheism and secularism (see Stalin).

lifetimeresident

@ The tt
That would be a hog roast and raffle going on over there. Take a walk over and buy a ticket.

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The tt

Is that sarcasm? I can't tell anymore when it comes to this city.

MBR

No way the shooting was random. We are best to be careful who we "hang" with/do business with.

heaven-leigh

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Katelih-Trailer...

YOU would know...

KnuckleDragger

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MBR

"Car washes are a common place for drug deals."

Can you cite your source(s), please? I would LOVE to see the data on this.

heaven-leigh

I cannot site a source. This event was discussed in many conversations and people said that they themselves or knew of others who had these dealings in car washes.

lifetimeresident

Yes that was sarcasm. Dont go over there u might not make it home.

Katelih-Trailer...

1/16/2013 KATIE S. WILSON SANDUSKY DOB 11/03/1987 331 FULTON ST 2913.02 THEFT 2911.11 BURGLARY SANDUSKY OH

Looks like they found her..

heaven-leigh

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Katelih-Trailer...

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Katelih-Trailer...

Wow Heaven LLEH....You flagged me when you talked $hit first?

heaven-leigh

I apologize once again for anything I said that was rude or offensive.

heaven-leigh

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transplant

You don't know if there is a higher power or not? Who do you pray to for your son's safety?

THED0N

Charge Mrs. Katie Wilson with Attempted Murder and then ask her what she knows!

phroggy

So what's for dinner? Drug dealers killing drug addicts or vice versa. In all honesty, who really cares?

Whiskey Tango F...

i sadly agree. If only they were better shots, we would have saved the life flight bill, and a good honest american might have needed care while this slime was plugging up the hospital. Just put it on the taxpayers tab!

WhatTheHeck

Bart Carruthers? Trouble is this guy's middle name. Convicted felon. Multiple time resident of our jail system. Last time I heard his name mentioned he was in trouble for sniffing glue.Guess he upgraded his troubles.

InGodsArmy

My Husband has washed his cars there for 30 years, This weekend he left his car mat there and the owner drove to our house to return it. The owner is a great guy, and its sad that you cant even go to the car wash in this town and be safe. Its also sad that this owner will most likely lose business because of these idiots.

safecracker2

The owner won't lose my business. Thugs shooting thugs. Could have been anywhere. If the drugs don't kill you, the dealer will.

reporter54

What's wrong with people these days? Drugs, no jobs, no way to support themselves; desperate times call for desperate measures. It will probably only get worse. My advice: stay home for the most part, stockpile at least 3 months worth of food and other needed items; plan for the worst. It will very likely happen. Wait until they have no money to pay for the foodstamps. Rioting in the streets.

KnuckleDragger

Apparently they are finding money through entitlements to buy drugs. Cut of entitlements to people who are not legitimately disabled and watch how many will magically become employed.

phroggy

This place is starting to make Disney World look like a friggin bike ride.

Floyd P

This is the reason we need gun control in this country. Any idiot can get one. There was a murder two houses down from my mom a month or so ago. You better believe i'm moving her out of that area as soon as possible. What's this town turning into, Cleveland?

Whiskey Tango F...

You are so right! If only the gun ban were alredy in place, this never would have happened!!! I am sure these honest law abiding citizens would have turned in their guns. Ignorance such as this is what our government runs on.

asweetnessabove

Oh yeah because gun control will most definitely make the drug dealers, robbers, felons etc feel sooooo inclined to turn their guns in! *eye roll*

Seriously WTF, you best believe I'm a good guy with a gun and if I was out somewhere you were and a bad guy came in with a gun, would you rather me beg and plead for our lives while he's shooting, or draw my weapon and shoot him with one bullet to stop him??? How many people choose option 1 and how many choose option 2?

Sorry I'm not begging, I'm saving!

Whiskey Tango F...

Sarcasm sir, sarcasm. I carry everyday everywhere.

asweetnessabove

My apologies then. Sometimes it is hard to tell through text. :)

JJr12

And what exactly will gun control have done in this situation? It's not like they were performing community service singing kumbaya when they guy was shot. Drugs are illegal so how did that work out for the guy that got shot? So we need even more Drug control? Wait a minute, because drugs are such a big problem some are advocating for making them all legal believing that this would help with the epidemic.

So I ask why?? Why make drugs legal? Those saying we need more gun control probably don't even know the gun laws as they are. Drugs are illegal and that doesn't stop people from using them. Ban guns and that won't stop bad people from using them. With any law, it only effects those that choose to follow the laws of the land. Laws can't fix Evil.

Just Thinkin

We have gun laws, but they aren't used ,Blame the lawyer's and judges, Oh I know lets ban DRUGS, they seem to be the problem, Still two upstanding White woman geting a fine upstanding Black man in trouble, Evil, evil white women, Tsk, Tsk, maybe the daddy's ought to be daddy's and the Mama's be Mama's. instead of trying to have to biggest welfare family Just saying,

Whiskey Tango F...

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deertracker

Some of you make the MOST RIDICULOUS comments even when you know almost nothing about what happened! SAD!

grandmasgirl

In a comment I made a couple of days ago about the man from Sandusky who killed and dismembered someone, I said "I see more and more violence in this world". A reply to that was "there is not more violence in the world", it is just shoved down your throat more" ( I assume they meant by the media). I must have had blinders on when I was young because I never saw or read in the Register things like this happening on a daily basis.

donutshopguy

More random gun violence in Sandusky. It's getting harder to avoid specific areas of the city. The police are not able to maintain order. The courts are a revolving door. The downward spiral is increasing.

The once beautiful small city is no more.

CONCERNED MOM

Something needs to be done about all the violence in Sandusky, I hope the City of Sandusky does not give them a slap on the wrist, even though the man has been in and out of prison that was shot, this is getting rediculous. I do feel bad for his mother though of the man shot. And as far as the gun laws are concerned, we the people who do follow the laws have to carry against the people who do not follow the law to stay alive. Also, The people all on here complaining about the spelling, I find it to be petty and makes YOU look stupid and I am quit tired of reading the blogs referring to this, obviously some people probably blog on here with their cell phones, and as we all know they put words you didn't even say on there and people who type at a faster rate may put the wrong spelling. And obviously your parents probably were rich enough to send you to college, there are men and women posting on here that probably had to work for their families and were not able to go to school. Look at the big picture, people. And I'm sure you will find a mistake in mine,so Quit complaining about spelling and start helping police catch these criminals. Now did the cops look on the birth certificates of the womens' children to see who's name is on there, could be the daddy (the shooter), she's not giving info and right now we have a potential bomb running the streets. And Patches you were in all rights praying for our policeman and our fireman, They have to deal with these off the hook, crackhead people running our streets. And you can't blame videogames and bad parenting. I'm just tired of hearing people blame everything else but the people whom are responsible and thats our all mighty government! Now they are talking about raising SS to 70 yrs old. really, how many men and women who have worked all there lives get to use that, Get these lazy butts on our welfare and make them get a job and take a drug test to be on welfare. Thanks for listening and do enjoy your day!

richrs

The City of Sandusky will have nothing to do with the final outcome of this. It will rest with the County Prosecutor (Kevin Baxter) and Erie County Common Pleas Court.

KnuckleDragger

Sounds like a personal problem to me. I've worked full time since I was 14. I managed to hold down full time employment, raise a family, and obtain both a Bachelors and Masters degree. You can't use having to work as an excuse for not getting an education. Being able to obtain higher education while working and raising a family is challenging, however it comes down to motivation and determination more than anything. I do commend you for working and being a productive member of society. Unfortunately, there are to many people in this area who are permanently retired on our dime (no I don't mean the elderly on social security). Until we make it harder on them to sit around and cause trouble, they'll be more of the same.

Outspoken1

Sadly, not one of the above comments wish the victim to be okay. It doesn't really matter what he was doing there. What matters is that he was shot and could possibly die. No matter what happened, no one deserves that....

Whiskey Tango F...

Take a look at who he is. Punhed his grandmother in the face? Society does not benefit from his contributions.

vicariouslyAlive

that depends... if he was there to sell drugs and got robbed, would you be praying for the life of a drug dealer? because i know i wouldn't be.

8ballinthesidepocket

I am sure we will learn this guy and his friends were perfect angels....NOT!! Hey, if you are committing or participating in an illegal act of feloneous nature you get what you deserve.

8ballinthesidepocket

Here's your hero a real butt head!! Now what do you say? herohttp://www.sanduskyregister.com/...

Outspoken1

I dont know anything about this guy - was just saying that it is unfortunate that anyone got shot.

moonbeam

I am not worried about this idiot. He put himself in that situation. I am wondering if the dog he had with him is ok, though.

MBR

No, what is unfortunate is that he chose to conduct his "business" in an area that put other innocent/law-abiding citizens at risk. This didn't take place at 2AM--it was around dinner time. Kids from the school were leaving after functions; those who live in the neighborhood were coming home from work or going to dinner; someone might have decided to rinse their car off after stopping by Kroger, etc. Not to mention the owners of the two businesses are going to lose biz because of this.

Sorry, but the "victim" gets NO sympathy or well-wishes from me, nor do the others who were involved. You want to play the game, you best be ready to pay the price. Just leave everyone else out of it.

vicariouslyAlive

yes... the gun ban... which centers around semi-auto's... and yet.. this guy used a revolver... which is not a semi-auto (for those that dont understand the difference)...

laws only work for those that obey them... and judging by kate's rap sheet... she's not one of those kinds of people... and going by this story the people she associates with dont follow the rules either... so what's more ink in a book going to do to prevent things like this from happening when the current laws are already proving to not work as a deterrent?

and one last thing... 2 hands at work do more to create change than a thousand hands in prayer. prayer is the most effective way to do something while still doing nothing... feel as good or as bad about yourselves as you want, but even the churches are having their problems with their own priests and catholic teachers... who's god was supposed to prevent those things from happening?

KnuckleDragger

"who's god was supposed to prevent those things from happening?"
But then there is this little thing the Bible calls free agency. Ever hear about it? Thus the reason we are judged by our deeds.

Philo Consult

The bible is a fictional screed written to enforce the required population training mechanism devised by John Dee and others, of inductive reasoning, not deductive. It is also an intelligence gathering system based on the confession. Obama's executive orders in the latest inductive scam is to have Physicians telling the government what was said in consultation. Their 'Oath' says it should be kept "secret", not private or confidential, but secret. That's why this is so important for him/them. Scumbuckets slaughtering each other over drugs or sex or whatever little thought leaked into their addled brain-stem isn't really our problem. Who cares, scoop them up, hose them down and dump them in a pit. Once they stop what they are doing I am sure the risk for them will decline. The reality is not complex, they all know what happened. But then these false prophets and lovemongers claim I am supposed to care? I don't.

shucks

Philo Consult
Are you currently suing for malpractice for a recent brain operation?

vicariouslyAlive

free agency... free will... if we have the free will to do what ever we please then what is your god supposed to do about the atrocities that happen? if, according to his book, he cant control what man does, then what is praying for him to deal with situations caused by mans free will going to do? like i said... prayer is the best way to do something while doing nothing.

twosenseworth

There's an answer to what's driving the drug-related issue's such as what happened last evening, and it's not gun control. If our government truly cared about the health and welfare of it's citizens, it would take every necessary measure to stop the flow of drugs into our nation. The problem though is that there are too many influential interests that ensure that the drugs continue to be available. Just look at how many professional athlete's and TV actors/movie stars manage to survive their entire careers with the help of ever-abundant supplies of drugs, yet these same people rarely face any penalty for their actions. On the contrary, the low level users and pushers deal with the indignity of the disease and suffer the consequences daily of a life entangled in a web with no escape. It's sickening and extremely unrealistic to believe that gun control will provide a suitable remedy to these problems.

KnuckleDragger

Tell that to Lindsay Lohen.

8ballinthesidepocket

These guys are in trouble if they disobeyed our great father in Washington's gun law directive. Tsk Tsk Tsk. Instead of alienating the NRA these bozos in Washington should be deputizing them to go in and roust all these thugs and punks and get their weapons. Only about 5% of the shootings in our country would be even remotely covered by Obama's directives and program. The laws are aimed at the good guys, not the thugs and punks that commit crimes such as this story relates. Start on Perkins Ave and head north searching every house and then you will solve the problem. Disarm the punks and thugs not the good guys. Is it that hard?

KnuckleDragger

Actually it would cover less than that. They want to reinstate the same assault weapons ban that expired in 2005. The same ban that our own government researchers admitted had little to no affect on gun crime. It makes as much sense as Diane Feinsteins statement, "This assault weapons bill is the result of years of personal research of viewing pictures of hundreds of guns." Just like the first ban, they are banning based on which guns look scary, not on actual function. Gotta love the ignorance of Democrat politicians. Ms Feinstein also completely avoided a question related to her own possession of a concealed carry license and her own carry of a semi-automatic handgun. Imagine that, a politician that wants to ban guns for us serfs while retaining the right to continue to carry themselves.

Centauri

Good comment KnuckleDragger. The powers that be want to keep their guns and their body guards with military grade weapons. Decades ago, civilians could posses the same firearms as the military had beginning with the muskets. If despotism takes over our country and sends in the military against the civilians, the civilians will be no match against the despots and their army. Compare the military weapons against what the civilians have today.

http://www.militaryfactory.com/s...

pptrsha

bart carruthers spent a while in prison he is a scam artist from way back i remember him when he used fake tip tickets in all the clubs in sandusky and took them for thousands of dollars bad checks forgery etc.... he had one of those mothers who spent her days drinking and gambling in all the clubs....

vicariouslyAlive

i find it funny that in the last 2 weeks there have been dozens of instances where home owners have protected themselves with their right to bare arms and yet, none of these make it to the national news level... funny how that happens... one guy shoots up a school every 10 years or so and it's national news... but people defending themselves and others get no attention?

being a gun owner i can tell you this... no matter what gun it is, finding yourself at the wrong end of one without any way to defend yourself is always scary, so trying to pick and choose which guns to ban because of their intimidation factor is nonsense... it's just a bunch of people with armed guards trying to tell us that we're all safe... hypocrites.

here's an idea to help show the necessity of gun ownership. how about we make it mandatory to post signs in people's yards that own guns. yeah, and also post signs in the yards of people that don't. i'll bet you a years salary that the people with "guns in the house" posted signs get robbed alot less than those that read "no guns in here." anyone wanna take me up on the bet? and for those of you that say no and yet are against gun ownership, you really should reassess your standpoint on guns.

sanduskysteve

Funny how your kind support putting signs in your yards but are absolutely against the paper in New York that published just that. I would bet that there would still be a lot of break ins when nobody was at home in the homes with guns just so that the criminals can steal your guns. And I still believe that if you own a gun - you should be responsible for anything and everything that happens with your guns - unless you also support gun registration complete with a sample of a test firing to id the gun if something happens with it and that until you cancel your registration due to a theft or selling it that you remain responsible for what happens with that gun. I don't understand why, if you gun owners are so "responsible" that you wouldn't want to do this. You register your car and anything that happens with your car is your responsibility unless you either sell the car legally by transferring title or report the car as stolen. And why not liability insurance for your guns? The more guns and the more powerful they are, the higher your premiums. I can come up with lots of good ideas for the legal responsible gun owner that could reduce the number of gun issues - or at least provide proof that responsible gun owners are not the problem. But, it would require well-regulated gun owners to make this system work. Won't get any support from the NRA or gun crazies though, because it makes sense and doesn't take away your rights as a legal responsible gun owner. You guys don't want your guns taken away, but you also don't want any increased rules and regulations to make YOUR guns safe. I can tell you, from what I have seen and heard from the right-wing gun owners, there is good reason that the NRA doesn't want mental evaluations to be used as criteria for purchasing guns.

vicariouslyAlive

im not against that steve. registration in a manner in which you speak would help me get my gun returned to me if it were to ever get stolen from my safe that only has 1 key cut for it. and most of my guns were test fired at the factory they came from. even came with the target they were shooting at to verify accuracy. who's to say that they haven't already matched the bullets with my guns serial number?

we're already under enough regulations, not just gun owner, but everyone. could we possibly be trying to set an example of how creating more legislation isn't always the answer? since 9/11 if you can name 10% of the legislation passed since then that have made our country better i'll give you $100. you better have your typing hands ready and reading eyes on because you'll be needing them to sift through the hundreds of newly appointed laws since 2001 alone. new laws aren't the answer if the old ones aren't being followed.

and the reason the paper in new york went over like a fart in a submarine was because it segregated against one kind of people. now, how well do you think it would have gone over if they only published all of the households that didnt have guns in them? not very well i'd imagine... checks and balances sir, if you're going to do anything in this nation is has to be fare and equal treatment, and only putting one kind of people out there was anything but that. in my world, everyone gets a sign to let everyone know whose house is armed and which ones aren't. steve, would you be willing to put a sign in your yard that says "no guns in here?" would you be willing to say publically that at your address there are no weapons to protect yourself, your family, or your belongings? just curious...

sanduskysteve

I'm not really aware that I said I didn't have a gun. And if you think about it - publishing the homes that have guns IS publishing the homes that have no guns. The solution isn't to sue the newspaper for printing public information though - it's to get the law changed so that the gun owners information is no longer public information. I believe most of the new laws since 9/11 (which is another interesting topic if you want to discuss something concerning a really huge setup to start a war, which it was) were laws to infringe on our rights - including but certainly not limited to the Patriot Act and Bush's warrant-less wire-taping rules - which for some dumb reason the courts and congress decided were legal. We did not need the Patriot Act and certainly did not need a lot of other things that came with the 9/11 attack. But, it worked in the favor of the government, especially since the government facilitated the attack in the first place. Although you may agree with that registration process, most gun tool do not - especially the NRA. I'm not sure that Bush thought of everything that would follow if the attack didn't take place in 2001. But, he was only interested in finishing the job his daddy started a few years prior. And to set the record straight, there are guns in my home - but I don't carry them around town as two jerks did in Oregon (I think that was where it was) - I'm not sure there is any need to advertise that you have a gun - it could actually set you up for being attacked by someone else with a gun.

vicariouslyAlive

so you agree that more laws arent always the answer...

and no, declaring that there is a gun on premises wouldnt encourage others with guns to come knocking on the door... just as a beware of dog sign doesn't encourage other dog owners to bring theirs by for a play date.

all thats happening with this new wave or legislation is the people's knee jerk reaction to a tragedy reinforcing the government to pass more oppressive laws and regulations... just as it did in 2001...

sanduskysteve

How about just getting the cops to actually do something about the drugs in Sandusky for a start? However, taking the guns away from the druggies would also help. If they can't have guns in Sandusky, then they won't stay in Sandusky. If the cops start shutting down the drug houses in Sandusky, the drugs AND guns will leave as well. Where were all of the "legal" CCW holders when this guy was shot? And don't tell me the gun didn't injure him. It was a direct result of the gun and the ammo that he is in the hospital. There is nothing that a CCW holder would have done to protect this person from the bad guys and I'm guessing that they wouldn't have even tried. It's a phoney excuse to have a gun. Where did this bad guy get his gun? Did he purchase it from a gun shop? Did he get it without any kind of checks at a gun show? Is there a mental issue with this guy? My guess is that the gun he used to shoot this person was completely legal and he most likely purchased it at a legal store as well. OR.... it was stolen from someone who had it legally. In my opinion, the legal owner of the gun should be held responsible for the use of his legal gun. Too much of the excuses and not enough responsibility.

FamilyFirst540

Drug Dealer or Buyer he did not deserve to be shot. I think they should start doing eye for an eye and see how many people keep messing up. I know that sounds dumb but im meaning Rapist and murders. Instead of living off of every working person In and out of prison.When someone commits a murder they should be killed SORRY,this is what i feel would work i know you will all have something smart to say about this,but jeez,just imagine the results it would have.. With the system they will be living off of us for another 20+ years till the death Penalty or plead Insanity And Basically getting off scott free knowing their as* is just Fine.
But on A diff. Note its only going to get worse ever since they took all the fun things for kids/teens to do that is affordable(surfs up-Osborn pool)I bet if you look at the stats. Crime sky rocketed since then.

sandusky440

What I want to know is where is the dog now and is he/she okay?

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nightroller

That's what I would like to know too ..... is the dog ok right now .... all them other clowns they can put to death for all I care .... I am more interested in the dog .....

rickross2

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vicariouslyAlive

yes, i did see that video about a week ago... it raised a ton of interesting questions...

like how could the ar-15 have been used if it never left his moms trunk, what ever happened to the other 2 men that were arrested trying to flee from the school after lockdown, why were parents laughing and joking just minutes before their "heart felt" interviews, and why were many of the benefit websites and facebook remembrance pages for sandy hook created a few days before the incident even happened?

definitely a must see for those that believe everything the mainstream media says is truth.

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thinkagain

Now it all makes sense, you are a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist. No wonder you are such a fearful, paranoid gun nut.

shucks

LOL

Good 2 B Me

LOL

vicariouslyAlive

yes, i question the antics of the government and facts that don't line up and that makes me a lunatic...? good one... i bet you're also one of those people that think our entrance into the middle east was to spread Democracy and had nothing to do with the oil.

shucks

We have a tin foil hat in your size in a few different colors.

vicariouslyAlive

im glad to see that you all have the made up already, you must have been expecting more to join your ranks. i'm going to respectfully decline though... i like to keep my head clear, but you all can keep your hats.

safecracker2

Really? Keep allowing your nose to be drug by the media. That will get you far.

sunshiny

Donutshopguy: Please don't stop volunteering for Stein Hospice. You will find out when this is all over that the people involved knew each other. There have been things happening in that area for ever! Most things that happen in Sandusky aren't by chance. They are between people that are involved together somehow. Random acts of violence against strangers in Sandusky are rare!

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