Sandusky students fight school uniform rules

These teenagers are organized rebels with a cause.
Melissa Topey
Dec 19, 2012

 

Sandusky High students William Gilbert, 16, a junior, and DeMaje Jones, 15, a sophomore, are organizing a petition drive to change the school's uniform code. They want it relaxed, even if it's just allowing kids to wear more colors, rather than just navy or white shirts, Jones said.

"Why can't we express our style?" he said.
 

Click HERE to read about a study done on the affects of the uniform policy.

For more on the teen's effort's to change the uniform policy, pick up a copy of Wednesday's Register.

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shbamn1

A major point in life is you must dress for succsess. It definitely working in more ways than one.

Phil Packer

Success is overrated.

White Bigot

The "bro's and hoe's" at SHS don't like the dress code. Maybe because the "bro's" can't hide their guns and crackpipes inside their uniforms, and the "hoe's" can't hide that they are pregnant with their 5th child at age 15.

bobaluey

Get used to it kids, any future jobs will more than likely have uniforms to go with them.

School is about learning; not a fashion show or style. Feel free to do that on your own time.

deertracker

Express your style after school. School is not the place for expression of your style. Get a good education and make something of your lives. I agree, the uniforms do look a bit nerdy but everyone has to wear them so no harm no foul!

erikaj

Uniforms look professional...if it wasnt for that the girls would be wearing low cut shirts and the boys would have pants to knees...

Curley

I agree uniforms are professional. When I was in school you could tell the families who had money the children dressed to the hilt. I was happy when they went to uniforms all the children are equal and not being looked down on by the children whose parents are loaded with money.

The kids should just get used to wearing uniforms and keep their mouth shut. St. Marys students wear white shirt, ties, skirts and slacks in the winter.

nonconformist

That's a crock. You can still tell who has money and who doesn't.

Curley

I agree then you would not see the boys with their pants half way down you know what and short skirts and low cut blouses. Get used to the uniforms

Sanduskybasketball2

Nioe because you know youll have these kids coming to school with pnts below there butt and girls having skirts abover there knees,

I mean I had to deal with the uniforms for 6yrs, I delt with it, and the supertendent better not change it

Contango

Student uniforms are "feel good" nonsense. It’s called the Hawthorne effect and has limited lasting staying power.

Show where this has translated into overall improved academic performance.

So do the faculty, superintendents and board of education all wear similar uniforms?

My Opinion is...

Kids are such whiny cry babies these days! Sheesh. If you want to express your style, transfer to Perkins. All students in Sandusky wear uniforms - Puplic and Parochial. Deal with it and express your own style on your own time.

tk

Sorry guys, but I think "expressing your style" is what brought on the uniforms in the first place.

44846GWP

It's a public school in America, not Hitler youth school in 1930's Germany. Let the kids where what they want, in reason.

Licorice Schtick

Wow. That didn't take long.

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44846GWP

wear,not where..........my bad.

avsfanwilly

I am William Gilbert and I would like to say we don't want to get rid of uniforms. We just want variety. Even if it's just being able to wear more colors and different pants.

Contango

@ avsfanwilly:

Why should the students be singled out? Do the faculty, supervisors and BOE all wear uniforms similar to those of the students?

What if you wanted to wear a suit and tie?

IMO, if it doesn't improve academic achievement levels then the practice of uniforms is useless and oppressive.

UgtaBkdnMe

I think you will see that the male administrators and the majority of male teachers wear at a minimum dress pants, a dress shirt, and a tie. Most females are dressing in a professional manner. A few aren't presenting themselves in professional dress just like a few kids aren't adhering to the dress code. I don't think we really want the adults looking like the kids.

TheScientist

I see no problem with perhaps broadening the color ranges. Red, white, blue or tan shirts maybe? Black, navy, or tan pants? Maybe special fundraiser days where you can dress out of uniform? (Pay $2, get to wear jeans as a club fundraiser, etc).

Katelih-Trailer...

Venice school has "jeans day" on Fridays for the kids who were not absent or tardy Mon-Thurs.

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BW1

Variety?

Look up the meaning of "uniform" in the dictionary.

If the biggest concern in your life is "expressing your style" through your attire, that's a strong indicator you need to develop a more mature set of priorities in order for school to do you any good.

Sanduskybasketball2

willy the thing is, blue and white is Sandusky's colors, in the first place

avsfanwilly

I know that. But what it was set up to do doesn't work. No matter what the school reports we see it everyday. Oh your not wearing this logo or that. And getting rid of uniforms won't help rid that. But at least more choice means more options.

costello628

Adults, of course you don't think it's a big deal us having to wear uniforms because YOU aren't the ones wearing them, WE are. It's not just "expressing our style" we miss, uniforms are not very comfortable if you didn't know. And not ALL students sagged their pants or wore revealing clothes. Why punish or restrict ALL kids, especially kindergarteners, instead of cracking down on kids that do that stuff? Try a day in our place, then see how much YOU like it. It's not whining if you have good reason.

TheScientist

Many of us adults wore school uniforms, so you won't get much sympathy there. Try wearing the hideous red plaid St Peter & Paul school made kids wear. It was ugly, but not a big deal to any of us because we ALL wore the ugly. A great many public schools in larger cities utilize uniforms. Sandusky is not special in that regard.

costello628

Okay, so you HAD to wear uniform. You don't anymore, so let it go. I'm sure you didn't like wearing that red plaid, so wouldn't you want to save anyone else from having to deal with it? If you want everyone else to go through it just because you did, then that's selfish.

My Opinion is...

You're right - once we graduated we didn't have to wear the uniforms anymore. Graduate from high school, or drop out, and you get to wear whatever you want - it's your choice. Personally I would hope you choose to graduate. I have kids in the middle school and elementary - I saw what the kids wore before uniforms. The elementary schools get to wear jeans on Friday if they were not tardy or absent at all that week, but from what I understand the first time they tried that in the middle school (maybe even the high school as well) there were enough kids who abused it that they took the privelege away from them for the rest of the year. Maybe you shouldn't be trying to relax the uniform dress code until you speak with your classmates and make sure they're not going to continue to ruin it for everyone else.

costello628

So far the high school has had 2 jean days and not one person has ruined it. I think they're just as tired of uniforms as I am and I don't think anyone wants things to stay like this forever. And as far as the whole "code" goes, some guys STILL sag their pants while wearing uniform, so I don't think the "code" did much good with that.

TheScientist

I didn't like it, but I didn't dislike it either. I didn't pitch a fit because I couldn't wear jeans or tennis shoes. My kids go to a public school in southern ohio that has a dress code only a little more relaxed than Sandusky. Not a biggie for us as parents or them as students. It's been in place for a long time, and its a non-issue for the entire district.

costello628

We are "used to it". It doesn't mean we like it, or have the money to buy special clothes like uniforms. And since everyone has to wear uniform, it's not always easy finding them because they'e all sold out.

TheScientist

Everyone usually spends money on new clothes as they grow anyway. Back to school shopping in the fall?

As for the selling out at stores, if it hasn't already, the re-sale of uniform clothing items should be promoted.

costello628

Yeah, we spend money on new clothes, but the truth is, uniforms actually cost MORE than the clothes I ever got. I only got one uniform this year because 1) they were expensive and 2) they were almost sold out.

Kelly

You can find cheap khakis & polos all over the place. I buy them for my kids.

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BW1

WalMart and Meijer have khakis and solid color polos each for around 12 dollars.

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BW1

Contrary to the view of most kids today, there is no manifest right to like everything that's required of you. Quit whining and put that energy into getting a good education. That, combined with the maturity to not whine about inconsequential things like uniforms, will help you land a job as an adult that doesn't require yet another uniform.

Sanduskybasketball2

Oh believe me I did for 7yrs in SCS and I never complained once, it wasn't a big deal because in a job force youll have to wear uniforms, if you don't like it, well you can lose your job just like working for Kamans Art Shoppe at CP, if you don't like wearing that uniform that you get then Jamie or Lauren will fire you *taking to william*

avsfanwilly

Honestly I don't know who you are but I didn't get fired. I quit because Kamans doesn't know how to treat its employees and work with school schedules.

KURTje

Free expression, you oldsters knew a better time.

EdO's

Make every child a little robot. Tell them what to think say and do.
This country and world is in a heap of trouble and it's the suits doin the cheatin, lyin, and stealing.

Read "The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America". Search and find the free downloadable pdf version.

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BW1

The fashion industry does more to make them robots. When kids talk about expressing their style, what they really mean (without realizing it) is to express the style that some magazine/celebrity/band/clique dictated.

costello628

So what? It's still expressing the colors you like, the type of clothes you like.

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BW1

No, it's not - it's the color some marketing hack concocted a manipulative campaign to get you to like, or that your favorite pop culture flavor of the month celebrity wore, or some such lemming response.

Or, perhaps not in your case, but in far too many others, it's the color the leader of the gang chose. Are you then being restricted because of what others have done? Sure, because the minute you get to choose a shirt color and the gangbanger doesn't, he's going to bring the ACLU down on the school. That's the way the world works. Get used to it. I have the car and the skill to safely drive 90 mph on the freeway, but the limits are set partially because of some 90 year old in a poorly maintained jalopy.

The school, in an effort to maintain order and do its job within the budget the taxpayers allow, has implemented a uniform policy. It's a small price to pay for a free education. It's not like they told you what you could think, read, say, post on the internet, who your friends could be, or some other MEANINGFUL type of oppression, all of which public schools in this country have done elsewhere, so stop acting like you've been tossed in the gulag. Save your righteous indignation for a REAL injustice, and your mental energy for your studies. I bet I could spend one day in your school and find a dozen more worthy issues while you're whining about something as trivial as the color of your shirt. If the color of your shirt is really that important to you, then you have bigger problems of a personal nature.

FlyBoy86

I'm going to take a stab at this and tell you why uniforms won't be relaxed. Gangs. Once you start laxing the uniform code, "thugs" will start "repping". I'm using quotation marks because "thugs" from Sandusky are not "thugs". Ever been to Gary, Indiana? You don't mess with those guys.

To the high school students reading this and arguing the dress code. I support you in your cause. The members of the community that cannot act with morals have ruined this for you. Please tell them to straighten up, stop with the criminal activities, and live in harmony...Good luck with your quest.

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Isnt that Special

Well now isn't that special William and DeMaje, you want to express yourselves. Are you kidding me? Most kids clothing styles are a cookie cut-out from a other persons imagination. When you buy your clothes at Old Navy or Abercrombie, Aeropostale, Nike, Addidas any brand for that matter.....any of these stores that carry major brand names...YOU ARE NOT EXPRESSING YOUR SELF..YOU ARE EXPRESSING SOMEONE ELSES IDEA. And they are laughing all the way to the bank. School uniforms are the best thing Sandusky did. I go down through Hayes ave every so often in the morning...you know what? I cant tell who is poor and who is rich!!! They look professional and equals. That way one kid who doesn't have means to afford high priced clothes never gets singled out. Sandusky School System don't change it back!!! You will regret it. And for the kids who want to "express" themselves express by being unique in your grades and do well in life.

cavs123

I am not saying that your opinion is wrong,but students still don't follow the uniform policy.I go to the Sandusky High so I see it everyday.Hoodies,Different color polos,the so called yoga pants.Some students still get singled out for their clothes.It's not that common but I've seen it.Students will still make fun of someone's shoes or their pants if they're too high etc.

jamo

If your going down Hayes Ave., then they are all poor.

grandmasgirl

I really don't know if it helps with grades, but they look sharp walking down the street before and after school. I have been to other towns and watched their students. Midriffs showing, shorts baggy and down to their ankles, etc. I think the students in Sandusky look like they want to learn, not just socialize.

costello628

We may "look" like we want to learn, but like half the school only comes because they have to. Sometimes "looking your best" doesn't coincide with "doing your best".

mesickbanddad

I am the parent of one of the two young men, and know the other one well. They are both intelligent, get good grades and are involved in a number of extra curricular activities. What they are asking for isn't to do away with the current uniform policy, simply to allow more options in the color department. Still wear polo shirts or button up dress shirts and dress pants. I personally think the uniforms are a great idea, but would have no problem if they broadened the color options. These two young men will have my full support in this.

callicattie

I definitely support what these kids are asking for. My son is in Kindergarten and could really care less what he wears to school just as long as he's at school, that's all that matters to him. I do think that a few extra color options wouldn't hurt. What's wrong with even adding black or gray? I know that the school's colors are blue and white and it's great to support your school but does it really matter that much? I didn't have to wear uniforms in school and I can't really see where it would have made that much difference in my education but that was 10 yrs ago. One flaw I do see in the uniform policy is their shoes. If anyone wants to argue that the uniform keeps the kids from immediately noticing the difference between the "rich" kids and the "poor" kids then they need to all wear a standard uniform shoe. My son didn't have the luxury, not that he cared, of starting his first day of Kindergarten with a brand new pair of shoes. We settled, instead for a "new to him" pair of hand-me-down shoes that looked practically new. Which made me feel a little better than sending him with old torn up ones. How many kids started the year off with old shoes or hand-me-down shoes that didn't even look new? How many of these poor kids only have one or two pairs of pants and one or two shirts to wear to school? Eventually after wearing those uniforms day after day they are not going to look so nice. The kids who parents have money are going to buy new uniforms in the middle of the year while poor kids are going to suffer it out the whole year. My son fortunately received several hand-me-down pants and shirts and we can deal with it if a few of them become no longer appropriate for him to wear to school. The kids, also aren't made to buy the exact same brand of shirts and pants. "Expensive" stores as well as the "cheap" stores, sell the types of shirts and pants that the kids are required to wear and you know that their brands are pasted on them somewhere where the kids will see and notice. I think all this cancels out the "Poor vs. Rich" argument. The only thing that I see that Sandusky's uniforms have going for them is that they keep the kids more uniformly and properly dressed so that teenage boys aren't staring at girls who forgot to put on some clothes before they went to school and so that boys are not going to school with their pants halfway on and what ever other clothing problems they think is fashionable. If anyone wants to argue the "gang" arguement, gangs find ways to "represent" while wearing strict prison uniforms. With all that said I think it would be fine if the school gave these kids a few more options as long as they were dressed within certain guidelines. (Ex. a plain single colored polo shirt and dress pants) The kids should be wearing uniforms to help them learn about "dressing for success" and not to be punished for some of the students lack of a school appropriate style. The kids know who is poor and who is rich and who's in a so called "gang" or who the popular kids are, the color of their uniform shirts and pants aren't going to change that.

NurseRatchet

Well said.

Katelih-Trailer...

Really..Do kids actually have the nerve to call classmates "poor" when 85% of SCS students are on free/reduced lunches ? wow

concernedtruth

Rebels my eye, they just want to cause an issue where there doesn't need to be one. The schools tried it other ways and learned the best way is the way it is set now. This would just be a stepping stone for more "uniform" changes and lesser stringent rules and back to the way things were.

costello628

Hey, someone's gotta stand up for such a large group of people. Not all change is good, but not all change is bad either.

jearth

what these two young men are trying to change the policy on is not to totally get rid of the uniforms they want a certain dress code but to have it more relaxed in a way that they are still able to feel as though they arent made to look, act and all in all be the same. the point they are making is what everyday life in america is all about and what human nature wants us to be, different. being that i am part of the armed forces (the u.s. marine corps to be exact) i find that dressing your best and being in a uniform of some sort allows you to put your best foot forward in any situation but even still there are ways for us individuals in the military to "show our own style" with in certain regulations which is all these two teenage high school boys are trying to do. also adding to this i went to not only a elementary school but also a middle school and high school that over my time of being there changed to a uniform policy all of which was received by parents a first a good thing but eventually found out to be much more of a hassle to deal with than they had previously thought. Again the argument that they help relieve tension based on financial bias, or they help boost grades by keeping the students focused on school rather than clothes, or that it reduces gang related activity may sound nice and in a perfect world where everybody was the same it may work but based on my experience it does none of these things and actually causes more problems. One major problem parents find right off the bat is that the uniforms the school demands are pricey due to the fact that in most american homes now a days have multiple children in school more than likely going to the same school so paying for 3 to 6 brand new sets of clothes for 2+ children usually costs a pretty penny and on top of that if the perscribed type of clothing brand to be bought is running low or out the price the parents pay for their child to go to the school for a year to four years goes up even more dramatically and if the parents goes for a close alternative and the school repremands the child for the clothing the parent(s) will have to yet again have to spend more money on these clothes. another problem i frequently saw was that the students all together would disregard the policy still come to school in their own personal clothing or "rep" their "gang" (which is seen very often in intercity baltimore schools quite often) reguardless of how often they were brought to the office and punished for doing so. most new uniform policies are very strict and dont allow much wiggle room but what these two teenagers are trying to do is make some wiggle room to relieve some of the tension that the strictness causes but still keeping the school in a some what professional sort of uniform code. thank you for listening.

avsfanwilly

Thank you very much this is exactly what we are trying to do and the message we are trying to send.

Buckeyessuck

As a former student of SHS and Now having my own children in the Sandusky school system, I truly believe that the school uniform policy was a GREAT thing. The issues with allowing other colors being added into the policy is the issues with Gang colors. When I was in High School it was all about who was wearing what and what color they were "Repping". As a parent who purchase's school uniforms the prices doesn't bother me one bit. Could it be possible that the school could add some other colors yes, but i also see that there isn't a major reason for change. I would suggest going with the flow, rather then pressing the school board to flex and have them telling you what kind of shoes you have to wear,since they have every right to.

cavs123

I attend school with these young men and they are good students.They aren't disrespectful and just simply asking to change something.When you disagree with something don't you have the right to atleast make a (positive)difference.It may seem trivial to adults,but it may matter to these students.They aren't asking to take away the uniform policy,but let students have a little freedom.Some students don't follow the uniform policy anyway.Everyday I see people with uniform violations and sometimes they don't get caught.

queenjhb

Hey uniforms help keep distracting clothes and lack there of, from interfereing w/ work. Expensive fashions have no place in school in Sandusky. Most kids are on free breakfast and lunch programs in Sandusky, where will money come from for expensive shoes, and clothes? Unless Gov. assistance is doleing out more than I thought.Self esteem is what you ahould be ralleying for ,for every student, helping stop bullying and put downs.

Uncommon Sense

I know of a couple of places that require uniforms and they are wildly successful at turning out disciplined kids. China and North Korea. Uniforms aren't teaching students how to dress for success. Uniforms at school teach students to conform to someone else's idea of what's best.

I know, I know... "some jobs have uniforms, so they should get used to it." Point taken. But when an employee puts on a uniform, he is representing a brand and he is being paid for it. And most careers that would be considered highly successful do not have uniforms. When's the last time you saw a doctor, law maker, attorney, business owner, accountant or drug rep wearing a uniform? They dress nicely and follow dress codes, but they do not wear uniforms. Prepare our kids for success, but don't make them mindless followers of rules like this.

Way to go boys! Keep up the good work!

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"Uniforms at school teach students to conform to someone else's idea of what's best."

No, they teach them the difference between inconsequential differences, like attire, and significant conformance, as in thought conformance. People who feel the need to express their identity through outward broadcast displays like their clothing value appearance over substance. Let your ACTIONS, WORDS, and IDEAS differentiate you, and don't sweat the fashion garbage.

SamAdams

The schools went to uniforms because kids "expressing themselves" meant kids wearing clothing that was so provocative (in any of several ways) that it was disruptive. And frankly, the condition of the uniforms in a lot of instances just proves any relaxation of the rules would be asking for more of the same.

Even with the rules as they are, I see kids on a regular basis that look like something the cat dragged in. Ever tucked in a shirt? Ever pulled out an iron? Ever had any respect for anybody or anything, including yourself? Just asking...

luvblues2

"Ever tucked in a shirt? Ever pulled out an iron?". Those two boys in the picture obviously have not.

costello628

Speak for yourself luvblues2. I'd be surprised if you even know how to use an iron. One of these guys is my friend, so try being respectful for once. Tucking in those types of shirts isn't always a clean and easy task.

luvblues2

I was in the military quite awhile back costello. I know how to iron, fold and tuck in a shirt in the proper way. There is a real simple way to tuck in a shirt. It's called the military tuck. Look it up.

costello628

Yeah, well that's another thing Sandusky City Schools didn't teach us.

luvblues2

Obviously. Perhaps you should bring it to your student council to consider? If you have to wear a uniform, they should teach you the proper way to wear it.

Contango

Additionally perhaps the school system should require daily close-order drilling with goose stepping?

FlyBoy86

+1 Contango. That was funny.

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might do a lot of good, actually

luvblues2

Nah. Goose stepping causes ankle and knee damage.

costello628

No need to be smart about it Contango. Some kids don't know how to properly tuck a shirt in.

Simmer down

I can honestly say i have saved money since the schools switched to uniforms.I had a hard time find clothes that were acceptable by my standards to wear to school,without spending a fortune.I spend approx a 100 on 3 pair of pants and 4 shirts.This almost gets one child thru the school year.That same 100 before uniforms would not buy 2 outfits,this is just my experience

Katelih-Trailer...

I bought 4 pairs of pants and 5 shirts for a 100 bucks at a place called Community Closet. It is in the old Kerbers building.( across from Cobbs)

Gesswho2

I agree with the kids here, I graduated not to long ago and there was no school uniforms. The main reason they enforced school uniforms was because the school system was too lazy to enforce the dress codes they had then. Personally if a kid wearing a red or orange polo is that big of a deal to the school board, and to some of the people on this site then you have a serious problem. The main argument is that kids "will start sagging their pants again" two issues with this first of all they still do it anyway no matter what pants they wear, and secondly if someone see's a person with their pants sagging don't look, turn your head. Last time I checked someone "sagging" their pants had no effects on my life, and caused no harm to me. Therefore if the kids want to wear more variety of shirt colors which let me remind you has nothing to do with pants, then let them. Once again people read the article, it does not at all say to get rid of the dress code, but instead let them wear more variety of colors then blue and white.

Everyday we tell our kids to make a change, even if it is a small one, and we tell them to fight for what they believe in, and what they feel is right. Then, when two kids stand up and challenge authority a little bit, and fight for some kind of change, what do we do? We tell them to stop crying, and deal with it, that is a great message to send, but for me what I will tell these kids if this is something they truly believe in, and what to see change then fight for it! Use the negative comments of others as fuel to fight more. I attended a seminar last month for my job, and the speaker said something that works here, she said "when we as a society see something we don't understand we immediately judge it." What these two young men are doing is wonderful, and I support them 100%.

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You can let them wear what they wish in my eyes! This way local employers can see their real colors, review their social network activity and other activity as well before considering them for employment.

lmalley77

I am the mother of four children who all attend Sandusky City Schools. I have two children who are Seniors at the high school, a 3rd grader, and a kindergartner. I have to say that I personally LOVE that Sandusky has gone to uniforms!!.....I thought it would suck in the beginning, but there are so many plus sides to having our children wear them!.....Fact #1 has already been addressed on previous posts....The children are no longer able to wear low cut shirts, or ones with their stomachs hanging out,the boys cannot sag their pants to their knees, etc. Fact #2, as a single parent, uniforms are MUCH cheaper to pay for than the "must have" brand name clothing that many materialistic teenagers think that they can't live without these days!! Fact #3 has also been addressed....With uniforms, there seems to maybe be less bullying going on, because EVERYONE is required to dress the same...."Jack" can't pick on "Jill" because she wears jeans from Walmart and his have a tag on them that says American Eagle etc. Fact #4, Kids should be going to school to learn, not to have a gashion show!....If you want to show your "individuality", do it after school hours, or accessorize with cute jewelry, belts, shoes, jackets, etc!!.... You kids that are on this comment section complaining about having to wear uniforms to school should thank your lucky stars that you don't live in a third worl country where most kids don't even wear clothes or shoes, because tthey live in poverty...REAL poverty!!!!!......Get a grip in life and realize that to get anywhere in the world, you MUST follow rules, and Sandusky City Schools have "uniform" RULES!!!!....If you don't like it, as another poster stated, go to another schoold district!....I hope that sandusky City Schools has NO plans of changing anything about their uniform rules, I like them, they work, that's what is important!!....And it would be pretty hard to allow kids, especially teenagers to wear different uniform colors as well, we ALL know that MANY gangs have certain colors that differentiates them....I could just see it now, The West siders wear red and the East siders wear blue....Yeah, that would work out REAL great now wouldn't it!?!?!?!......Instead of lobbying to make a change like the one you are, why don't you lobby for a cure for childhood cancer...or against bullying....something that could make you much more recognized by the outside world, and actually make a difference in the world that is becoming worse day by day!

Gesswho2

really? Gangs also use hand signs, symbols, tatoos,handshakes, oh yea and names. I think a kid wearing a white, blue, orange, red, black polo really wouldn't make a difference because either way they are still in a gang. I think two young kids fighting for something they believe in is not wrong. They are much cheaper to pay so instead of buy ingjust blue or white different colors can be worn as well same cost just more variety. You tell these kids to get a grip in life and to follow rules, tell rosa parks that, or the little rock nine. Also the school has rules for bullying so like you said they should just a get a grip and follow those rules, don't push for change in them. A Few years ago there was no dress code, and school graduation rate has not changed much, students enrolled has decreased alot, and it really has had no impact.

Also I just came back from south america and was in a third world country called ecuador all there kids where clothes to school, and they all have shoes even those in poverty!!

I just cannot understand how two kids age 15 and 16 can catch show much negativity when some of you were raised in era's that were rebelious even more so talking about the 60's, 70's and into the 80's. They are asking for a different shirt color in with the dress code. To me that is not asking much.

costello628

^What Gesswho2 said.^ Also, everyone has their own opinion and fighting for something you want built this country. What someone is fighting for doesn't have to and won't appeal to everyone.

avsfanwilly

Lets go point by point:
Fact 1: Boys STILL sag their pants
Fact 2: It is NOT cheaper for quite a few families
Fact 3: Kids STILL get made fun of for not having an american eagle polo or an Aeropostle Polo
Fact 4: We do go to learn. And uniforms are teaching us that to be an outstanding person you have to be a robot that looks and acts just like your peers.

costello628

^Perfect^

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BW1

All that proves is the uniform code isn't enforced strictly enough. It's hardly a basis for relaxing it.

lmalley77

*fashion,*world,*they...sorry, should have proof-read before I hit the send button!....lol

Centauri

To all of the Sandusky HS students and those in junior high. What type of government or civics courses are they teaching now 4 or 5 decades later after I went to school? Do any of you question your national, state or local governments? If not, why not?

The type of clothes that you wear to school should be a moot point. What about you, your future children and grandchildren?

avsfanwilly

And you have to learn how to question starting somewhere. Why not start small like this..

Sanduskybasketball2

Well they wont change the uniform policy why make others SPEND MORE MONEY on the uniforms, yes I agree it is costing families who cant afford them that is why there is a lot of uniform drives to help that, Goodwill as well

Mama of 4

Ok first of all the the tucking shirts and looking up a military tuck, they ARENT IN THE MILITARY!!!! They are KIDS in high school. Not an adult that choose to join the military. Second I agree with the kids. In the beginning of the year not only do they need street clothes they also need school clothes which is not cheap for three kids. I spent well over 150 just in school clothes at Wal Mart. And the supply got very low very quick so unless you have the money the minute things hit the shelves it slim pickins after ony a week or two. If the rules were loosened a bit and allowed for at least more color I think this would make it alot easier not to mention the kids might wear the different colored polos out of school and getting more use out of them. And Gesswho2 you took the words right out of mu mouth. We tell kids everyday stand up for what you believe in and if you want a change speak up. Should we also tell them they will be ganged up on my full grown adults calling them cry babies, and basically telling them to give up just as they get started? Way to crush a flame of determination in what to be sounds like is two well spoken educated well standing young men! Good luck boys and I hope you win this one. Keep standing up for yourselves and what you believe in matter what anyone says!

luvblues2

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My Opinion is...

You obviously have a computer - you can order uniforms from Walmart.com and have them shipped to the store for free. I started in early July, ordering a couple shirts one paycheck, a few pairs of pants the next. The online store has the uniforms all year long, you don't have to wait until they hit the stores in August

starryeyes83

They're in school to learn - not for a style show. What's wrong with tucking your shirt in? It looks neat. No matter how old you are or whether or not you're in school or military.

It's better than looking like a slob.

If it helps the grades , fine, if it doesn't oh well, but I bet the other kids don't try to steal someone's else's designer shirt much anymore.

As far as sagging pants, down to their butt to show off the nasty underwear fad , that's more prison thug culture...it means the boy is "available".

costello628

"It's better than looking like a slob."? No offense to anyone, but the kids that are overweight don't look "neat" with their shirts tucked in. It makes their weight more visible and known. How do you think they feel? I'll tell you, INSECURE, UNCOMFORTABLE, and that's just two. Uniforms are good for special occasion, not everyday school life.

callicattie

I can agree not tucking in their shirts would possibly allow heavier kids to not feel so exposed. I myself am not really thin and I would feel uncomfortable with my shirt tucked in. But I don't think heavy kids are a reason to do away with uniforms all together.

starryeyes83

Those same heavier kids are also wearing saggy pants.

And?

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"INSECURE, UNCOMFORTABLE"

Oh, and we MUST move heaven and earth to make sure no special snowflake's precious feelings are hurt.

This is what happens when schools sacrifice everything on the altar of self esteem.

mesickbanddad

Okay, I'll beat a dead horse here. Nobody is asking to do away with the uniform policy here. Simply broaden the options they have in uniforms. As for the wrinkled clothes in the picture, they went directly from school to the interview. These two young men have no issue with wearing a collared shirt and nice slacks to school. They are simply stating that they would like the ability to wear a pair of black or grey trousers or a grey or green collared shirt for example. I would also challenge Sandusky City Schools to make the uniform policy apply to ALL persons in the school building. Students, faculty and administration. Finally, I would like to ask the Register to use a little more thought in the writing of their headlines. "Rebels" was a very poor choice. There is no rebellion involved here, simply some young adults asking for a little more freedom of choice.

costello628

I agree and we as students would be thankful for any type of good change to the uniform code. What these guys are doing is a good way to express our freedom. I support them not only as a classmate, but as a young mind trying to help future classes of SCS. I agree with their proposal, and I think others should examine our side of the story from a different perspective.

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"They are simply stating that they would like the ability to wear a pair of black or grey trousers or a grey or green collared shirt for example."

WHY? Oh, yeah, to "express their style." RIGHT.

They could at least have come up with a less frivolous reason, like the black pants wouldn't stain so easily. But, no, they went straight for the most frivolous, immature reason. What does that tell us?

dukethecat

I keep reading these comments about how it keeps the boys from having sagging pants and the girls from wearing tight pants or low cut shirts. Have any of you driven by the high school when the kids are going in? I've seen more underwear and boobs then I care to think about. And as for it being an equalizer for name brands thats crap. Kids see the logos on shirts or pants. And they still see the kinds of shoes that are being worn. The "study" done was from two years ago and very little actual feedback to make it truly accurate.

Kmf1984

Kids are going to whine no matter how lenient you make the dress code. It's not that serious kids! Wear the clothes and shut up because you're not there to look good.

costello628

Just because we all look similar does not mean we look good. I understand the whole "school colors" thing, but when we all look the same, it gets boring. And you wonder why some kids fall asleep in class. We're not there to look good, I agree. But I mean, who wants to wear the same colors of clothes EVERY day?

BytheBy

Kids fall asleep in class because the uniforms are boring?

Oh Dear Lord...I fear for the future!

costello628

The uniforms aren't "boring", everyone wearing the same colors is boring.

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KMF didn't say looking similar made you look good - maybe if you devoted as much energy to reading comprehension as you do to rabble rousing over trifles like the color of your shirt, you'd realize that.

It gets boring? REALLY? That's your next compelling point? YOU'RE NOT THERE TO BE AMUSED OR ENTERTAINED. Keep digging, kids.

whitetigerchic

im sorry to say but when i was in school we wanted the uniforms...glad they did it...it shows how sandusky schools have united...if you expand from our school colors then it will defeat the whole uniforms...why wear things that are not a true blue streak color?...bluestreaks are white and blue...some added in the red but its not the true colors...i could see maybe a casual day on friday but dont change the unifomr colors

Randy_Marsh

Obviously Costello628 is a student willing to stick up for his beliefs, Good for you kid. It may not always be popular, But in life things that matter most are things you have believed in and argued your best to achieve. I understand why the parents and older folks see things the way we do, We cannot understand the new things like our parents didnt understand the things we did as kids. A bit of advice if i may, If you believe in it go for it. Pick your battles because being a non-conformist is a hard thing to achieve these days, A worthy endeavour though because as you go through life it is better to be a stand up individual than someone who caves at the slightest adversity.
I think you and those guys are doing something awesome, Keep it up!

costello628

*Her beliefs btw, but thank you for the support. I've learned in life to not let others' opinions change your mind about something you truly believe in. And that's what you've gotta do. Stand your ground.

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That's great if they're meaningful beliefs. If you think shirt color is that meaningful, then school isn't doing you much good.

Kasey

I graduated from SHS a few years ago, but did experience the uniforms for a couple years.

From a first-hand experience, the uniforms honestly did little. It was still apparent who was rich and who was poor. Kids talk. Kids gossip. It didn't matter what they wore, kids were going to make fun of kids. Kids could wear a polo with a certain logo, or a North Face, or have the new Jordans or Vera Bradley bag to convey that they were "richer and better than everyone else".
My entire senior year, I got away with not tucking my polo in. So many kids get away with hoodies, cleavage, sagging, no belts, not tucked in, huge logos, fleece coats, you name it. Not all the teachers enforce it to the same degree, so it became worthless. Students knew which teachers would send them to the office and which ones couldn't care less how they looked.
Many students work after school and on the weekends, giving them hardly any time to not be in a uniform. The clothes I got for Christmas my senior year were not worn until college because there was simply no use for them between school and working on the weekends.
The uniforms can be very uncomfortable. I was tall, skinny, and gawky, and felt very self-conscious about having shirt tucked in for all to see my waist. I was often called "anorexic" because I was so thin - it's hard to hide from those kind of comments when wearing a sweater is not an option. Also, the students who are very large become self-conscious when their bellies are on display, sometimes causing trouble to tuck their shirts in.
The polos became very worn out quickly. Wearing the same couple of polos every day really showed after a few months, and my mother hated replacing them because I had a closet of "normal" clothes that were in mint condition, unable to be used. I could also no longer use my cousin's handmedowns because none of them were uniforms, causing my mom to spend even more to replace uniforms that became ripped, torn, dirty, stained, or worn-out. It is definitely apparent when a student wears a polo two, three days in a row, as well as khakis - sweat stains, pen and pencil marks, wrinkles, etc - they all were pretty smelly and unsightly.
I am in college now and am interning as a teacher. Guess what? I don't wear a uniform on my internship. Sure, I have to dress "business casual", but the variety that emcompasses is expansive and wonderful. I also work part time at a retail store - no uniform either! So long as my body is covered from shoulder to knee, I'm fine.
When I was in school, I had a few good friends at Norwalk St. Paul. I was amazed when I found out their dress code - dress pants, polo, or button up. Any color! Blame it on being a Catholic school if you wish, but there was never a "gang" problem. There are not "gang" problems with "gangs" wearing certain colors at my college campus, located in a large metropolitan community. If anything, these uniforms cause more disciplinary problems, especially with the discrepancy in enforcement.
Let the kids have some leeway. Who are you all to bash them for wanting some creativity? Many of you, like me, do not have to wear the same thing every day at our jobs. While we may have "paid our dues", let's not belittle our future generation. If the school administration really wants to hit on the "uniforms are worn all your life" point, then they should wear the same uniform as the students every day - few teachers did during my time. This is a bit hypocritical, wouldn't you say? This is a public school, and while education is a privilege, it should not come with such restrictions. I, for one, do not feel it is "unfair" that the kids may get a reprieve while I had to wear uniforms. I am happy for them, and you all should be too. These are bright young kids taking a stand for something many in the school believe in - you can't blame them. While they rally for what they want, you all are sitting behind your computer screens admonishing "whiny brats" - who is the whiny one?
Keep up the good work, kids. Always be fearless to stand up for what you believe in, whether you attain it or not.

BytheBy

Maybe their "creativity" could be shown in their written papers, help in the community, or at home?

Teachers=adults
Students=children Do not even put them in the same sentence with uniforms. Your argument is weak at best, ridiculous at worst.

Kasey

Excuse me? You are as rude and ignorant as they come.

Many of theses students have been working since they were 14, like I did. They aren't out riding bikes or playing with Barbies, like children do. they are working, saving money for cars, college, etc. They are taking on adult responsibilities, so think about that next time a "child" makes your sandwich at a restaurant, or a "child" rings you up at the grocery store. Oh, they should be out on the playground, right? How ignorant.
These "children", students, are treated like adults in the high school. They are held accountable like adults when they miss school or don't do assignments, they aren't just let off the hook like a child. Have you taken A.P. courses? Many are just as hard as college classes I've taken. Definitely not child's work.
My boss has to wear the same uniform (dress casual) as I do, even though he has a Ph. D., is in his 60s, and makes thousands more than me. Why? Because it would be ridiculous to request his employees do something that he can't do. It's called being fair, something learned before kindergarten.
I'll leave you with one last thought. How about we gather up all these 17, 18, 19 year old "children" that are serving our country and remind them that they are not adults, they are children, and get them out of the military so they can go home and play with their toy trucks and baby dolls.
Give me a break. Show some respect for these kids' effort, even if you don't agree with their stance, especially if it doesn't affect you either way. How disrespectful - and "weak and ridiculous".

mesickbanddad

Just an fyi...both these young men are talented musicians, get good grades, and in honors classes. High school students are not children. They are young adults who very soon will be taking their place next to some of the rest of us as productive members of society.

mesickbanddad

As to the point of faculty and administration wearing the same uniform as the students, its called leadership by example. I have seen a number of teachers entering the building in clothes that would get a student sent home.

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Great point; wrong response - the solution is not to relax the student dress code, but to tighten up the teacher dress code.

Warhol_89

I'm not so keen on uniforms either, but wearing them keeps students from making fun of others because of what they are wearing. And I think that's great because in my opinion it's just plain childish to judge people by what they wear. Hopefully students will understand that uniforms are one of the ways to teach them to act like true adults and not judge others for petty reasons such as clothes they choose to wear.

Mama of 4

the way how do you know their creativity is not shown in those ways to you personally know these boys? Teachers and faculty wearing the same uniform as they does pose a very good point so are we teaching them as a do as I say not as I do basis now. How are we going to tell them to do 1 thing and then exempt and teachers and students from it just because they are adults it doesn't meanthey should be exrmpt from the rules and means they should act as role models.

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"how do you know their creativity is not shown in those ways"

Because that would require a level of logic, discernment, and judgment that would preclude choosing shirt color as a cause célèbre.

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It is nice seeing these two guys start up and explore a topic that's relevant to them and their friends. At the end of the discussion, it is this kind of action that gets people to share their thoughts and ideas and is a great learning experience. Being in a unique position to hear first hand accounts of these kinds of topics it is nice to see it get outside community involvement here.

The suggestion of a fundraiser to get to wear jeans for a day is nice and supportive. With the Commercial Arts program there can even be special shirts made to keep school support and involvement in-house. Approved stickers, or even a kind of "school-casual Friday" could be a way to get the best of both worlds. Themed days such as neck/bow-tie or even a "mustache day" are all optional participatory suspensions of the dress code that act as a release valve on the feelings of confinement uniforms provide while still being fun or school-involved.

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Their conclusion as to its relevance is stunting their intellectual growth. Talk about valuing form over substance.

KURTje

William & Demaje, good luck to you. Make the system work.

mrjsiah

Dont let these cowards deter you guys from what you believe is right. Damn near all these peolpe responding on here isnt even from sandusky and no matter what you say they will try to have something to tear you down for the simple reason that you go to sandusky. You are not the first kids attacked on here by them the funny thing is if you were from perkins or huron there would be nothing but people telling you how much of a good job you are doing. Dont let these so called adults that are cowards and have nothing to do but bully some kids because of nothing but where they are from. Keep your heads up i have a son in SCS and it is sometimes hard to find uniforms for the simple reason alot of stores around here stop selling the, after a certain time so you are left with ordering them online.

I

Someone asked earlier if government and civics classes were still being taught in high school. If not, this should be a very good lesson about how government works. When confronted by the actions of the few, in this case, those students who refused to dress appropriately for school, and having no idea how to correct the situation, politicians will usually resort to taking away the rights of the whole. While the vast majority of students probably came to school in proper attire, it was easier to punish all students with a new uniform policy rather than address the individual problems or underlying causes. Welcome to Government 101!

wiredmama222

Give these kids ONE day to prove what they are saying. If they violate what they are saying....even ONE person, then it is back to the uniforms and they need to be still about wearing them for the remainder of the time.

If it succeeds, then they will get one day a week in which they can "express" themselves and the rest of the week its uniforms. That expression does not mean they go back to the junk of before, but nice clothing can be worn: suits, dresses, skirts, etc. Not pants below the hips, shirts with decals, etc.

That seems fair. But they need to understand that if even ONE person violates the permission....even ONE...their goose is cooked. It seems one violated already on jeans day, so are they prepared to take that risk? They will have to self-regulate this entire project. The responsibility will be theirs to regulate, so if one person blows it for them, the problem is theirs with which to deal. They will have to make that clear.

Problem solved.

Dr. Information

Really....one day? Thats like saying to your kid...you are grounded....for a minute....LOL.

EZOB

Good policy, leave it alone. The more colors you allow, the more expensive to dress your child. Sandusky really needed this dress code. Another point, Maybe they should have organized before the dress code was put into place. It was easily recognizable that a code was needed. The blame for the dress code lays squarely on the shoulders of the students who refused to wear belts or dress in a respectful matter. Hey look at the good points, It's now possible to caryy things in both hand and not have your pants fall down.

looking around

Tell em you don't want to wear those silly band uniforms also.....hold off till the prom for your sense of style, then get even! That gets to them every time!

rickross2

Let the kids where what they want. No baggy pants, no skirts/shorts that dont go passed their fingertips. There that was easy, just like the good old 1990's. All this crap about parents making up all these new rules even though none of those rules were in effect when they went to school. No wonder so many kids want to harm their parents. More rules doesnt equate more obedience, kids need to be able to express themselves.

8ballinthesidepocket

Hey kids, life is tough and your protest is assiniene. I know you probably have never been told "no" before, so get used to it. If you think this is a challenge, having to wear a uniform, wait til you get out into the "real" world, wearing a uniform will be the least of your concerns. So go back to sucking your thumbs and pouting, hopefully you will, probably for the first time, not get what you want by stamping your feet. Grow up!!!

SanduskyNow

Bullies put you nerds up to this, didn't they? You look like the type who would WANT school uniforms!.. I'm not buying this BS..

dukethecat

@8ball I know both of these boys. And they have both been told no in their lives. And if you want to say nasty things learn how to spell. And William is a good student in honors classes who has earned every thing he has gotten and not been given everything by stamping his foot and sucking his thumb.
@Sandusky I'm not sure entirely what your problem is or why you think its bs. They are very serious about this.

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Dr. Information

You moderators are weak sauce. Remove my comments because what..... I said baggy pants look will more than certainly not get you hired in the real world? Weak.