OH schools panel weighs pupil restraint, seclusion

The state school board in Ohio is continuing to debate new regulations for how educators must seclude and physically restrain students.
Associated Press
Dec 10, 2012

The Ohio Board of Education has scheduled a committee meeting and board presentation Monday during its two-day monthly meeting.

Some educators have balked at setting rules for such practices, complaining they could overburden school systems with training, testing and paperwork. Parents and advocates for special-needs children generally want to see such policies in place to protect children.

The rules would identify the safest way to restrain and seclude youngsters to keep them calm.

Ohio Department of Education spokesman John Charlton said no vote will be taken on proposed rules this month. In order to accommodate further debate, the decision has been deferred to January.

 

Comments

donutshopguy

How do we protect other students and teachers from physical interactions from special-needs students ? Should they be returned to facilities that focus only on special-needs students? Shouldn't other students and teachers have the same protection as special-needs students?

These questions also need to be answered.

rjk1915

Lets quit using euphemisms like "special needs".

Kelly

and just what would you call them?

donutshopguy

If you just want to call them a "student" than they should be governed by the same rules and regulations of other "students". We all know that is not possible. Also, "special" allows parents extra services and less responsibility.

"Special needs" is a pretty kind euphemism compared to other wording in the past.

Huron_1969

Donut - what do you mean by "less responsibility" ? Please explain this statement .....

KnuckleDragger

Spoken by someone who likely has no experience dealing with a developmentally disabled child. So you assume people such as myself take less responsibility in the care and education of our children just because they have "special" needs. If you knew the amount of money and time my wife and I have spent with our high functioning autistic son in order to ensure he reaches his full potential, it would floor you. I bet you are one of the those people who thinks we should just throw them all in a classroom full of severely "retarded" (yup I went ahead and said what you were thinking) without regard to each individuals capacity to learn? If we did that then my son, who at one point was in this type of class, would have continued to receive a substandard education and low grades. We forced the schools hand with a disability law attorney, and they were forced to mainstream him into regular classes with the so-called normal kids. While he still is quite socially awkward, which is fairly common with a child that is high functioning autistic, he went from bottom of the barrel in academics to an honor roll student. I'll take my intelligent "special needs" kid over your ignorant normal kid any day. Maybe you shouldn't paint everyone with such a broad stroke. While their are some who may fit the bill for what you are describing, an increasing number of parents are dedicated to ensuring their special needs child is able to maximize their potential and become productive members of society.

Ehovemom

I think we all appreciate the efforts you have made to accomodate the needs of your son. Unfortunately with the cut to education budgets by our current governor and his administration - teachers are dealing with larger class sizes and few if any teacher aides. Any student that requires additional help is suffering. This can be this could be anything from the challenges faced by your son to simple refresher instruction in math.

I think when "restraint" is used, it is referring to children who become violent in the classroom. Anything from screaming to destruction of property to violence against classmates. Imagine having a classroom of 30 plus students, your pay based on their test scores and trying to teach with such a student. I can't blame parents for "lack of discipline". Most of these children do have issues that are medical or mental and would love to be "normal" and part of the group instead of isolated.

I don't have any easy answers. All the schools are facing severe cutbacks and budget issues.

Huron_1969

Please keep in mind I was responding to Donuts statement about parents receiving less responsibility

quote "Also, "special" allows parents extra services and less responsibility"

I know 1st hand there are no easy answers - but the last thing we need as a society is people making assumptions that lead to a comment like "less responsibility.

Huron_1969

Well put KD.
Every family with a special needs child is presented with their own unique challenges. Our special needs kids have sent us on a journey with it's own story. As parents we know we are blessed with a special gift and we do everything possible for our kids.

As a society, we have some fantastic organizations dedicated to special needs kids and adults, and some of our school systems have wonderful programs available. At the same time, there are so many special people who do not get the care and support they need and deserve.

Comments such as Donuts are inaccurate and lends to ongoing stereotyping that only does harm

NotForLong

I understand both sides of the coin. I have one "normal" child and another child who was born with severe physical disabilities (her nerves and muscles couldn't communicate, so her poor little body just didn't work). She was beautiful and very smart. She made it through a year of regular school, before her undiagnosed disease took her life. That being said, I had no disillusion that she would be treated, or learn, like the other children in her class. For that reason, I was able to obtain a classroom aid to assist her. I also have to say that my oldest daughter has some "differently-abled" children in her current classroom. Obviously, because of my own personal life, I have no issue with these students being in her classroom. It's when they present with objectionable behavior that either limits, or inhibits the ability for my own child to learn that I take issue. I know one child in her class that flaps his arms and screams obscenities during class. How does that not distract the other children who are in the classroom to receive an education as well? Also, an interesting side note...the boy is in her classroom, but wasn't allowed to participate in the Christmas program. I found that sad...perhaps it was so the parents wouldn't actually have to see what their children are subjected to while they're trying to learn.

deertracker

Less responsibility? That is a very heartless comment. I have a high functioning nephew and he is such a great kid. He always got good grades was well behaved and really wants to be independent. I also have a nephew that is not as high functioning but he too is a great kid. Their mom and dad are absolutely great parents that have worked very hard to make both their lives as normal as possible and I admire both of them. I think the "restraint" comment was taken out of context by the usual suspects thus provoking ridiculous comments. I have no answers either but this is not about getting freebies or blowing off your responsibilities. My nephews are NOT retarded they just have special needs. Sprinkles, you always seem to have negative comments and never seem to have any compassion. Karma will come knockin' one day! Believe that!

donutshopguy

Huron 1969,

"less responsibility" Children with "special needs" do not have to follow the same rules and regulations as other students in a public classroom. Thus their parents are not held to the same responsibility (less responsibility) for their child's conduct in a public classroom.

donutshopguy

rjk1915,

Well, your "special needs" euphemism was thrown under the bus by KnuckleDragger and deertracker use of "retarded". For shame boys. Karma will come a knockin' one day.

queenjhb

We are all blessed with knowing special needs children and adults. We all want the lives of these individuals to be fulfilling. There is only so much time in an average classroom to teach children, extra classrooms should be utilized for special needs one on one time , and distracting [hollering, flailing arms] should not be in regular classrooms, distractions and outbursts are concentration busters.

Seen it All

With 1 in 88 children being diagnosed with autism queenjhb, how many new schools are you willing to build to teach them in their own little classes? Let's not forget also, these kids will be ADULTS some day. IF half the kids in class with a special needs child grows some compassion and empathy from it for someone who is not like them, what a better place this world would be! We'd have a lot less of the idiotic comments I've read here! FOR SHAME!

donutshopguy

They better grow some empathy for them. They will have to support them the rest of their lives. Right now 51% of the people support 49% of the people. The end is near.

KnuckleDragger

You're kidding right? Again, painting all disabled people with the same brush. My 16 yr old son with autism is employed and has been since he was 14. Not all disabled people sit at home and collect a check from the gov't. To be honest with you legitimate disability is exactly what the safety net is for. If you want to attack someone, attack those who are gaming the system to collect an SSI check for a so-called disability that in no way impedes their ability to work. For instance look at all the alcoholics and drug addicts on SSI for something that they did to themselves. We could go one step further to all the idiots who are out trying to drum up a disability check after sucking nearly 2 yrs of unemployment dry. For those who are born with a disability through no fault of their own, and can't hold a job, then I have no problem with helping them. The problem is not that we have a safety net, it is the fact that we allow rampant abuse and fraud to go on in the system. That my friend is what is causing the system to go broke.

deertracker

Who is "they"?