Some Ohioans' food stamp benefits to decrease

Some Ohio families will lose $50 a month in food stamp benefits next year, leaving food banks bracing for higher demand.
Associated Press
Nov 12, 2012

The cut won't apply to all 869,000 households receiving food stamps, but only to some homeowners and renters who have a "standard utility allowance" deducted when determining whether they are eligible for food stamps, The Blade reported.

Those families will see a cut in benefits because of how the government calculates utility expenses. A mild winter last year and lower natural gas prices led to a decrease in aid.

The thinking is that lower utility expenses meant families had more money for food.

Ohio's Department of Job and Family Services tried to stop the change but the appeal was denied by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which oversees the food stamp program.

"This is a federal issue," said Joel Potts, executive director of the job and family services directors' association. "We just think it is going to be really hard on families and individuals. They will see significantly less money starting in January."

The state appealed the change because many families that will see a reduction don't even use natural gas to heat their homes and instead use fuel oil or propane and didn't see a cost savings, said Ben Johnson, a spokesman for the job and family services department.

Plus, many people still rely on food assistance at a time when the nation is coming out of the recession, he said.

"They are going to increase hunger among our most vulnerable — working families, seniors, children, and persons with disabilities," said Lisa Hamler-Fugitt, executive director of the Ohio Association of Foodbanks.

Some seniors or people with disabilities who have a low benefit amount could lose all their monthly assistance, she said.

Jack Frech, director of the Athens County Department of Job and Family Services in southeastern Ohio, said the reduction will cause hardship.

"Fifty dollars would be devastating," he said. "These are folks that have already fallen off the fiscal cliff."

The average food-stamp recipient receives $138 per person, per month, according to state statistics.

"It will put a strain on all organizations that provide emergency food. We're going to have to find alternatives. We can't pull food or money out of thin air," the Rev. Steve Anthony executive director of Toledo Area Ministries, which runs a program with 13 food pantries in the Toledo area.

 

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mikeylikesit

we reap what we sow (without getting political)

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2cents

Spread the wealth, ok!

http://dailybail.com/home/chart-...

The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of someone else’s money! MT

queenjhb

they should weed out the abusers, those that sell there food stamps, and those that have them but are living w/ a man w/ a good job, living together under 1 roof but getting foodstamps, useing them but really not needing them. I know of a lady that used foodstamps to buy turkeys as gifts for her extended family. This cant be rare.

heaven-leigh

Stopped at the store on the way to work the other day. Was in line behind a very smelly couple buying 12 2 liters of pop and a mountain of candy bars. Felt great knowing I was headed to work to bust my butt to pay for that. Oh and they remembered to bring their coupons. How thoughtful.

tina2u

Moderators have removed this comment because it contained Personal attacks (including: name calling, presumption of guilt or guilt by association, insensitivity, or picking fights).

heaven-leigh

This forum is for leaving "your thoughts and opinions" You disagreeing with mine doesn't require profanity and name calling. Grow up.

heaven-leigh

Stopped at the store on the way to work the other day. Was in line behind a very smelly couple buying 12 2 liters of pop and a mountain of candy bars. Felt great knowing I was headed to work to bust my butt to pay for that. Oh and they remembered to bring their coupons. How thoughtful.

Zoepoet88

There are people who abuse the food stamp program. The problem is that there are few limits on what people can buy. If you don't like the fact that people are buying mountain dew and candy bars with food stamps you paid your $$ into then go to the state file petition to make changes on what people can purchase with the food stamps. It's you're not willing to put action into your statements they are words floating in the air that don't matter. People complain so much about what everyone is doing wrong or about the poor needing food. Sometimes people have needs. Have you ever had a need in your life? Maybe so.. or maybe you suffer from pride failing to ask for help. Everyone needs a little help once in a while. For someone who lost a job or has health issues getting on their feet doesn't happen overnight. It could take a couple months.

donutshopguy

Zoe,

Are you talking about a "need" or a "want"? There is a difference.

Minuteman

869,000? That's a huge problem that needs to be addressed, whether or not the actual need is there. My family received foodstamps the last time the military was gutted in 1992. I was fortunate enough to be "dropped from the computer" every month while I worked to get us back to prosperity. I was able to observe everyone else getting their stamps. There is fraud and I have seen it first hand. Every dollar put into the foodstamp program should wind up feeding someone that needs it. It doesn't. I believe only about 30 cents on the dollar actually makes it to the needy. Many are on foodstamps for life and are resigned to it. Food banks will solve these problems of fraud. Before foodstamps, that's where the needy went for food, and they received what they needed. Every bit of time and money invested helped the needy. Scrap the foodstamp program and use only foodbanks. Wasn't the goal of the foodstamp program to feed the needy?

Contango

@ Minuteman:

You're "30 cents" argument has merit.

It's been estimated that approx. 10-20% of every dollar spent in govt. programs is lost due to waste, fraud and abuse.

Of course ya gotta pay the wages and bennies of the federal govt. bureaucrats who run the programs and shuffle the papers. Figure another 20% for carrying charges.

And those state bureaucrats don't work for free either.

So maybe, 50-40% of all the money spent in most govt. programs 'actually' goes for it's intented use.

The GAO needs to do an audit, but that would embarass the rich elites in DC, so that ain't gonna happen.

mikel

good in theory! however, sooner or later the "food lords" would turn corrupt.

the waste is rampant! there is a person that i know that gives his grocery list to someone on the food card. she buys him his groceries and he pays her .50 on the dollar. right, wrong or indifferent it is happening out there.

heaven-leigh

Hey,It actually was Mountain Dew! How'd you know that? : )

wiredmama222

If I had my way, anyone getting welfare would have to PROVE they were looking for work by getting their book stamped by the employer they showed up at to apply for a job. No stamp, no assistance: including food stamps. We USED to do that years ago. Worked great.

Zoepoet88

Some counties still require this aspect of the plan for getting people off food stamps. Some counties in Ohio also are involved in the welfare to work program where they put clients at job sites for a certain amount of hours a week. This is sometimes effective but not always because it takes time away from job hunting. I think they need to hire more job coaches and bring programs that help people make a plan for independence. It is true some people are in the system too long. It's because of lack of planning. The reason this takes place is because the Government is getting rid of social workers and having computers replace people but it doesn't always work.

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2cents

(having computers replace people but it doesn't always work.)

How do you think we got in this mess in general!!

XxAeroStarz69xx

Oh No..WHAT?!?..You mean these lazy slobs have to get off there rear and get a REAL JOB..I love it, drop the Food Stamps even moreeeee!..And dont tell me you have no babysitter, theres plenty of sitters out there while you work.

DGMutley

Call Kiddie Korral and check those prices.

Truth Be Told....

Stereo typing all people who receive FS shows utter ignorance in all who do it. I personally want to thank all of you who do earn a paycheck, right along with my husband. We recently hit a rough patch in life and had to let go of our pride and ask for help. My husband an I arent lazy freeloading people, this is the the very 1st time we've ever applied for ANY type of assistance. We're embarrassed EVERY TIME we go grocery shopping because we KNOW what people think of those on FS. So please stop assuming that EVERYONE on FS has no job, is abusing the system, or just buys crap with your money that your forced to give up on your paycheck. Both my husband an I have paid the same deductions that you do, and my husband still does. For what its worth, I do agree that drug tests and random home visits to ensure all information on applications are infact true. THOSE are the people you should be upset about, one's who lie to obtain any and all assistance and stay on it for generations to come and those who think doing drugs is more important than getting off assistance. F.Y.I, ive only been getting FS for 2mons now and if things keep going like they are at my husbands place of employment, we'll be off FS before the new year. (some people actually do get off assistance rather than lying so they can stay on it. Something to think about when your stereo typing people.) Again, I thank any an all who pay in, so that this program is available for people who truly need it and appreciate it when and if hard times fall on them unexpectedly. My husband and children thank you as well.

deertracker

Thank you for stating the obvious. People fall on hard times and do need temporary help. If I ever needed help I would not be ashamed or embarassed to receive it. Afterall, I have paid taxes for decades. Why should I go hungry after helping to feed others for years? Some on here get on their "high horse" everytime gov't assistance is even mentioned. Those are the ones that think gov't assistance should only be for them. I say to you, don't be ashamed. It is human nature to survive and ANYONE can have misfortune. Good luck to you and your family!

SamAdams

Truth Be Told, I'm sorry for your temporary circumstances and I'm pleased to see that not only does something exist to help you through it, but that that's all you're looking to do: get THROUGH it.

No, it's not fair that you should be lumped in with those who abuse such programs. But in fairness to those of us who MIGHT judge, look around and note that the abuse is substantial and widespread. I'm personally sick and tired of wheeling my half full cart to check-out knowing I'm going to spend another $100 or so, and the person in front of me has a shopping cart heaped with steaks, ribs, pop, frozen dinners, and other goodies and pulls out their handy dandy little taxpayer funded card to pay for it all.

Zoepoet88

The problem with the food stamp program there is not many limitations on what people can purchase. The reason people tend to purchase tv dinners and junk food is because they are not educated on nutrition, food preparation, budgeting and other aspects of grocery shopping. Learning these things are not simple. I think that if social service agencies stepped up to the plate and had people sit through classes about benefits and nutrition your tax dollars won't be supporting obesity. It actually might help people get healthy. When people get healthy they can go look for jobs and get off the system. Having a non restricted system of buying food is making Americans put on pounds increasing health risks causing them to build excuses to why they can't work.

deertracker

There's limitatins as to what you can purchase. Food and non alcoholic consumables. The problem is with enforcement.

Contango

@ deertracker:

So your answer to a corrupt system is to hire more highly paid bureaucrats?

The old problem in the ol' bankrupt Soviet Union; who watches the watchers?

mikel

agreed, but, the problem is the word "food". this encompasses to much junk. as i have said before this has become a country of wants not needs and our gov't does a great job providing for their wants.

Zoepoet88

At one point they had limits that people couldn't buy candy, gum, hot store cooked foods, or protein powder. I believe they got rid of the candy, gum and hot foods thing. I know that elderly people are banned from purchasing ensure on food stamps which I think that should be priority over gum and candy.

Informer

I think the problem lie's in the prices...a frozen dinner is $1.00, A package of carrot sticks is $3.00....

doratheexplorer

What she said

Zoepoet88

I am partial to the idea of drug testing for food stamps. I think that drug testing should be done by a physician rather than a center for drug testing. It helps protect privacy in the stance that the government doesn't need to know if Jonny is biopolar and takes antidpressants and sally just had a knee replace and takes pain medicine. I think if a doctor can sign a paper with medication and then perform a toxicology screen that should be adequate for the Government. I'm skeptical about drug testing because of privacy laws and HIPPA violations. If clients aren't willing to sign a release at their doctor's office then they could be hiding something.

deertracker

You can't punish the "hungry" child for he actions of the parent. A person should not have to disclose their entire medical file just to feed their kids. Also drug testing is not cheap and toxicology reports are timely.

There you go again

"Also drug testing is not cheap". But feeding drug addicts who use/sell their food stamps for money is......

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2cents

Truth,
I am sure these comments are not directed toward folks like you, your situation is why the program exists. The sad truth is the abusers; these people are so often found living off government programs for life. People seem to find ways to live off of free stuff in any environment, abuse programs that were planned to be bridges so one does not have to live under a bridge. With a difficult economy and every dollar counting, you will, as you have read people venting their frustration here. Big government is just easy to abuse and it is going to get even bigger at the expense of all those who work hard for their incomes.

When people are handed free money they do not think so much how wise to spend it, that may be 12 liter bottles of pop or a case of water, having lived out of a budget book in the past I found that water out of the tap on the sink was far more practical so I could make pay my electric bill. A lot of these people do not need a bank account because they have everything given to them from the shelter over their head to the water they drink. It is sad because so many make this a lifetime way of living. There is also the underground economy that allows these people to trade without issue for just about anything.

DGMutley

mikel over in the other thread says, "wow! $138 per person per family. so, a family of 5 gets $650+ per month on their food card plus, during school year, would be eligible for free or reduced breakfast and lunch! and people wonder why our gov't is broke."

$160 a week is not a lot of money to feed 5 people. (138*5/4.3)

You are eligible for food stamps if your family income is less than 130 percent of the Federal Poverty Level which in the case above is 130% of 27,000 or $35,000 a year.

mikel

don't forget mutley, that when the kids are in school they are getting free or reduced breakfast and lunch. so, for 8-9 months there are considerably less meals being served at home. also, they can now use their cards at fast food places. i can show them how to shop for $160 per week.

our gov't is retarded to the fact that they let people pretty much buy what they want in relation to food. this then increase's the chance that there will be more health problems which is paid for by, guess who, yep thats right the taxpayer! so, we just continue to create our own problems. meats, veggies, milk, fruit and pasta should be the only thing they are allowed to buy.

Zoepoet88

The calculations you see are only the average. People who do not pay utilities because they are included in their rent get a lot less than that. Say a family of 3 with one parent working earns 700 dollars a month average from their job but their rent is 500 but they have no utilities. They are looking at about 20 bucks a person in food stamps. If the person is making the same amount but pays utilities then they get an aditional amount added to their monthly food budget. Senior citizens living in low income housing get even less. The average senior citizen living in HUD housing with a rent less than 250 dollars gets 19 dollars a month in food assistance. The system is wired wrong in so many aspects. They just started considering a phone bill as a utility bill. They also play medical expenses into the role of getting assistance as well.

reader

While you were busy complaining about the guy who bought a snickers bar with his food stamps, Exxon pocketed $9,000 of your tax dollars.

PBS aired a program on Independent Lens Monday evening detailing how the super wealthy have bought and paid for our politicians, including Senator Schumer, democrat from NY, and Paul Ryan, republican congressman from Wisconsin. Eye opening to learn how they have the cards stacked in their favor and keep pressing for more, more, more.

Contango

@ reader:

So who's at fault? XOM or the corrupt elitist politicians?

"In essence, this is a vote-buying scheme by the Status Quo: the top 1% control the policies of the State in alliance with the State's own Elites, and together they buy the complicity of the bottom 60% majority."

Just vote for the "right people" for your State funded cash and prizes.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/20...

Zoepoet88

Sometimes I wish all these people who support the candidates and their parties for re-election would donate money to programs for job creation, social workers to help create stategic planning to help people gain indepence from the system, and incentive programs incooperating ticket to work also for people on other assistance besides social security.

deertracker

It's called taxes Zoe!

reader

While we watched our manufacturing jobs go offshore so Walmart could sell us stuff for lower prices, didn't you imagine there would be a cost from the increased need for social support programs ?

deertracker

Exactly! Cheap goods made in other countries translate into no job or money for you thus, needing help. Elementary!

Contango

@ deertracker:

So bring back all those low skill, high wage factory jobs that existed in the U.S.' industrial golden age?

A sweet irrational fantasy.

How many $160 American-made toasters are you gonna buy?

deertracker

Seems like REALITY to me. Yes, bring back those jobs so people will at least have a job. Are you advocating for more assistance? America is suppose to be the best at this and the best at that so be the best!

Contango

@ deertracker:

So your "REALITY" is American workers sweating in factories makin' top notch wages and bennies producing toys, baskets, and other cheap junk? LMAO!!!

Unfortunately in the "real" world, labor costs have to translate into the price of the product.

High labor costs = high prices.

Good luck with that "REALITY." :)

Even your pal, Mr. Obama has said that a lot of those jobs ain't comin' back. You should listen to what he says sometimes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/2...

The more publicly paid bennies, the faster this country goes bankrupt and ‘perhaps’ back to fiscal sanity.

FORWARD SOVIET!

deertracker

No, my reality is jobs period. Where were all these high wage idustrial jobs you speak of? Do you consider a job high wage just because it is more than third world wages? I believe SOME of those jobs will return. I am not advocating high wages. You think KBI pays high wages? You seem to have no problem with foreigners "sweating" in factories for practically no wage. Bring the jobs home and pay a fair wage. It's not just labor costs that translates to higher prices.

Contango

@ deertracker:

Wanting and wishin’ ain’t gettin'.

Where’s your pal, Mr. Obama on NAFTA and CAFTA; thought he was gonna revisit ‘em?

The U.S. factory of today employs far fewer workers and more robots than even the shop of twenty yrs. ago.

As a percentage of GDP, U.S manufacturing has stayed about the same for decades.

Well Mr. Entrepreneur, when are you startin' up your factory and paying all those great "living" wages and bennies? Talk is cheap.

So what are you building?

Good luck finding capital.

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2cents

http://www.toastercentral.com/tr...

No quite $160 but it is Americain made. The big problem is that we have become a disposible society. i buy things like this knowing I will only buy it one time, ever. Even washers, dryers that laster 25 years now only last 5 10. It isplanned obsolecense to sell more, thus filling up scrap yards and wasting recources.

Contango

@ 2cents:

Ought to be a great toaster! LOL.

FYI:

My computer three-in-one printer broke so I went to WalMart and bought a cheap one for about $39. I couldn't believe the price. I had paid about $125 for the last in 2006.

The clerk told me that replacement ink cartridges would cost around $39 and so many customers just buy a new printer with cartridges included instead.

2cents's picture
2cents

It is sad :(
Try these guys, I have bought for about five different printers and have had good luck with quality.
http://www.inktechnologies.com/

Zoepoet88

Deertracker do you have a worldview inside your head? The reason companies send jobs overseas is because products can be made for so much less in other countries. They don't have minimum wage in Ethiopia and other countries. Workers get paid less than $250 a month working long hours for these companies. There are no child labor laws. In the U.S. a certain wage is required by the Government and new health care laws will burn companies. I guess obama didn't think about jobs when he put in the new healthcare overhaul. Even papa johns said they will be cutting hours with new health care laws. My point is that more people will continue to need help because of the decrease in jobs here in the U.S. the good jobs that are available to Americans are being cut with advances in Technology because people seem to think a computer functions better than a human in some jobs therefore laying off more workers causing increase in umemployment benefits to be paid out.

deertracker

You mean the Papa John with a twenty two car garage at his home? Technology is not the problem. Corps would rather pay a low wage instead of investing in new technology. It's all about profit. Enough is never enough for some.

Contango

@ deertracker:

So why don't you start a pizza franchise since you seem to have all the answers?

Pay 'em all a "living wage" and great bennies.

No profit = no jobs.

No new technology? What are all those robots doin' in U.S. factories?

deertracker

That's not new technology. CAD/CAM technology has been around for decades. You don't start a franchise you start a business. You buy a franchise pooh! Pizza has a large profit margin but it is garbage food. I'll pass!

Contango

@ deertracker:

And new tech costs money.

You criticized Papa Johns' owner and seem to think that you know all about running a business.

I meant what I wrote: Start a business that can be franchised. Sheesh!

You're dodging. Get capital, start a business and pay your workers a "living wage" and great bennies. Talk is cheap.

starryeyes83

I've heard that some who have assistance gets to take karate lessons on the tax payers' dime as well. Heard of that happening in Huron county...whether it's true or not ...I have no idea. That sure doesn't sound like a food stamp program to me.

If it is, I would like to know why.

I know people on assistance who have health issues and can't work. They always have to prove it.

deertracker

That's because it is not. Karate instructors DO NOT accept food stamps as payment. Where do you people get this stuff?

starryeyes83

Not food stamps as payment , it's suppose to be some kind of program for the kids whose parents are on the food stamps and some kind of other assistance.. I don't know the details. But I was told the HCJFS was paying for it.

Zoepoet88

I know that sometimes private foundations will fund fund activities for children in poverty.

starryeyes83

Are those funds administered by the county?

starryeyes83

What is a "standard utility allowance" and who qualifies to get it?

Contango

Where's Comrade Sen. Brown on this?

1 out of 5 Americans (79M) now on Medicaid and 47M on food stamps.

To h*ll with the debt - federal cash and prizes for everyone!

mikel

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VTX Rider

I wonder if the unemployment/underemployment rate increased in conjunction with the food stamps during that period. I doubt it, but that would be interesting to know.

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2cents

I can say that I let go of nine people in the past three months due to a major customer taking our parts to be manufactured in China. If they cannot find work I am sure they will be added to this list :(

deertracker

Underemployment rate? Give me a break. It is only underemployment when the elite that think they are entitled to a good job can't find one suitable. Get over yourselves PLEASE! It's hard out here for a P.I.M.P. Deal with it!

Sarah Weber

I reviewed your comment and you make a fine point @mikel, but we had to remove your comment because of the name calling. We encourage you to reword and repost.

SaraMac

The candy bar,soda pop,chip buying card users (IF THAT ISN'T 90% of the cart content) don't p*** me off nearly as much as the crab leg buying crew. We both work our butts off, and eat plenty of chicken and beans. Am sure our family is healthier for that! No shame in needing assistance,just shameful for that to be a way of life in generation after generation. I wonder how many of them know that they can buy seeds with the card to plant and harvest later? We do this every year and save hundreds. (edited to add:without having or using f.s. card.)Even container gardens are possible,with some effort.

starryeyes83

I see where you're coming from , but, at least the crab legs are a little healthier than the junk food, though. As for seeds not everyone has a yard to do a garden. Although, I' m sure some people would like to. But, who knows what they're trading that stuff for.

What really gets me is seeing people at the food pantries, getting all kinds of produce and then allowing their kids to take heads of cabbages and squash and smashing them into a parking lot. Yes, this really happened and instead of trying to make a pot of soup or something with this free produce. They smashed it up.

my oh my

Stop the abuse with the ones buying cigarettes and alcohol with them.....I have seen this first hand as it is so easy now with the debit card and such they are issued.....

grandmasgirl

I know someone who thinks that if you are on assistance, you should have three months to get off or at least PROVE that you are looking for work. If you don't, you go into a community shelter where you have a bedroom (or more according to family size). That is it. You have to share the kitchen, bath, TV, etc. He feels that when you provide each family a private house or apartment, along with all their food, heat, electric, etc. it enables them to spend their life letting someone else pay their way and gives them no reason to want to get off assistance.

starryeyes83

Your friend better hope he never has an illness or injury that wipes out his life savings, and income.

grandmasgirl

My friend DID need assistance at one time. However, he did not understand the paperwork, and the people in charge were to busy to help him. So, he went back home, started doing odd jobs for people, finally got his own place. He kept his food in tin containers so the mice wouldn't get into his food. He washed windows, did the heavy housework for older people, baled hay, anything he could do to make a buck. He now owns three properties. He credits it all to "no one helping him". At his low point, he would have been happy to share a place (paid for) with someone else. There is a difference between helping and enabling.

mikel

nice story!

grandmasgirl

Thank you. It is a true story and he deserves credit for how hard he has worked to earn everything he has. He is a very generous man to people who really need the help. However, he has no use for "users".

starryeyes83

Very good for him, you didn't mention anything about people who are physically unable to perform those things. And what about other barriers?

I agree with you on the "user" part.

grandmasgirl

I would have to be an idiot to not want people who deserve and NEED this program to not get it. I am talking about ones who ARE physically able to work, but use any means not to. I know people who have to have help and I am more than willing to give it. I am not willing to give help to the woman next door who lives off me and has a revolving door for men to come and go. (that is an example)

starryeyes83

Thanks for the clarification.

mikel

i have said many times that those who are handicap or are working pretty much full time but can't quite make it should have some help. for those who don't work, have baby after baby or just work 10 hrs a week, thats when i have a problem.

Zoepoet88

The problem with that process of homeless shelters many social workers tell people to get pregnant then they can get into a shelter at least that's how it was when I was in high school. Also in the shelters they tell people go to school and take out loans then it will give you a place to live and you won't need food stamps. The thing with that it increases debt then after college students end up back on the system. Shelter's are not always a place of choice. I know people who try to make it on the street with their families. Going to temp-to-hire jobs to just to pay for motel rooms or to save up for apartment.

JERRY from SANDUSKY

the problem here is your the problm for letting it go

Contango

@ starryeyes83:

Not to worry; the govt. elites in collusion with the banksters are wiping out the savings of every American while reducing the majority to poverty and making them increasingly dependent upon govt. “hand outs.”

It's "official": There is no inflation and food is not increasing in cost.

Just ask the govt. They never lie and they're only here to help.

starryeyes83

@ Contango

We all know government lies like a rug. That's their job.

I've never seen an honest politician , yet, or a poor one , have you?

I can't imagine how different it would be if they told the truth but that's not the way the game is played.

rec8888

WHAT? Obama my man you never told me this was going to take place. Now you are even lying to me just like you do to the ones that oppose your entitlement programs. Now I suppose the next statement out of your lying mouth will be that you want me to get a job. Are you kidding me and sfter I got all my non-working lazy friends to vote for you. And we even took the chance and went back and voted for you more than once. And this is our payback!!!!!! You scum

LadyC

This whole subject is nothing new. I worked in a grocery store 30 years ago and saw the same thing going on, some people used them sensibly and others didn't. Every system has its abusers. I have heard and seen so many rants about the "entitled" and how they should get a job, what they should do, what they should buy, and what they should have. Personally, I don't care. I don't want to be that angry all the time. I do know that there are a lot of people who DO work and still get assistance, because their wages are so low, and finding another job is too risky. Obamacare is not to blame for these places that cut their employees hours. They were already part time to begin with. Even teachers and professional office jobs are part time now. Nobody's givin the bennies. I am looking at the food stamps, Metro housing, and tax credits for the low income people as actually being entitlements to mega corporations that play these games and send jobs overseas at the first hint of actually having to-GASP-pay a living wage. You can bet those CEOs are making a living wage, have health care, and never think twice about their lesser employees. Undercover Boss should be a requirement for every one of them. Sure free enterprise can be a great thing, and those at the top should make more, and the small business owners should too. But why, whenever there is a budget to be cut, or "fat" to trim, must it always be to these working people? No wonder there is no loyalty any more.

starryeyes83

A word about the full cart thing: to be fair some people do shop once or twice a month at a time and stock up. I'm one of those and yes, I've had to use FS in the past. We didn't get a full allotment, and I tried to get everything on sale and stock up -- For example: roasts ( chuck) can be used for beef stroganoff or Beef and veggie soup or shredded bbq beef sandwiches, or stew. Steaks - occasionally-- wrap them extra and freeze. Um...seafood not so much. We don't drink pop and very rarely ever got anything sweet. Whole chicken cost less per pound than cut up or frozen breasts with the solution added ( which I try to avoid).

Brick cheese is less expensive than already shredded and can freeze very well IF you wrap it, I've also had good luck with freezing Kraft slices ( or generic).

rickross2

I will be blaming the Obama voters for the next 4 years. Everything that goes wrong in America will be your fault. The kool-aid wasnt lemon flavored......it was urine. Unfortunately, we all have to live with the aftertaste.

pptrsha

i am so sick and tired of all of the judgemental people who think any and everyone on assistance is getting a free ride and living the high life. are you kidding???? wish the agencys that figured out benefits used your conversions. nobody here knows how much money is allotted or distributed to all families on assistance a teacher told me about little kids that put food in thier pockets at school to take home to feed siblings that are not in school. i dont believe that 130 per month would feed anyone that breaks down to 5 bucks a day anyone that has raised teenagers will tell you that all of your resources go to feeding and clothing growing kids. just because you see some dumb as# buying things YOU dont think they should that is not the majority. i can tell you from my own experiance that myself and 3 children once got 350 per month in food assistance. those last few days of the month were pretty lean when the food ran low and the kids had to be fed are desparate times. if you havent figured it out yet it breaks down to 11.50 dollars per day. can you feed 4 people on that? it was a means to an end. and i so know what it feels like to be embarrased ashamed to ask for help because people like you would look at me with my three kids buying our groceries with foodstamps

verdict

I dunno what is coming in January, but..I know a disabled woman who has already had her food stamps reduced TWICE in the past few months. The reason given: "Your allowance for utility assistance has gone up so your food stamps are going down."
This makes NO sense whatsoever. Her actual utility BILLS have NOT gone up, but the "allowance" has gone up. So, they take food out of her mouth so that they can "allow" her to use more electricity. SMH.

We are talking about a woman who spent a decade of her life breaking down her back to lift military veterans out of beds and onto toilets. Taking food out of her mouth but, hey..she can turn the lights on for the whole day now, instead of just at night time (as if). Ridiculous.
They are taking something she needs (food) away..and replacing it with something she doesn't need and they SHOULD KNOW she will not use (extra leeway to run up high electricity bills). Highway robbery, plain and simple.

verdict

The Federal Reserve chairman's CPI does not take the cost of food and energy into account. As far as Bernanke is concerned, aside from food and energy, the economy is doing just fine.
Now, the aid programs are screwing people on the food (as detailed in my other post, above).

We can "thank" every journalist as well as any blogger/commenter (both Republican and Democrat) who helped Ron Paul lose the Republican nomination. We can blame the Senate Democrats even moreso, tho..since their Senate Majority Leader killed Ron Paul's Audit the Fed bill on arrival (not even allowing the Senate to vote on it, even tho the House passed this bill in a landslide vote with bipartisan support). As a result, the Dollar will continue to fall in value..so the cost of living will continue to rise.

realbigshot

Woww you people are so ignorant too see the big picture if people are starving and aint enough to to feed there family thats when crime and violence start too happen and job and family service knows it and ill rather go to work and pay taxez than not have a job at all while you ones talking about your job pays for that you should be thankful that you have one and stop judging and looking down on other people cuz you never know you might just be in they shoes one day and i think the recession already proved that and it's funny cuz you are the ones that had your nose so far in the when you they lost them good jobs they didnt get assistsnce they killed themselves and sadly some killed they whole family because they had a nervous break down and couldnt coop with not having a good job so watch what you say cause GOD works in mysterious ways

luvblues2

May I ask you to repeat that, realbigshot? Reading that 'sentence' caused brain fade on this end.

starryeyes83

Please learn how to punctuate-- even a little.

Yowsaa!

heaven-leigh

Wow!Bigshot..never saw a comment like that. That was amazing.

Contango

@ luvblues2:

Good catch. Ever read any Wm. Faulkner?

jerrybutler40

I find this to be an interesting topic because I am on disability (Not by choice) and I feel there's too many people who do not deserve to be on food stamps. I realize there are people who are down on their luck and I can honestly say that I sympathize with them. It's the people out there who won't try to get work as they want the free entitlements the state of Ohio (or in my case Michigan) gives to people. I refuse this entitlement simply because what I draw monthly is more than adequate for my needs & wants. It's called living within my means. Maybe when certain entitlements get cut maybe it will be an incentive for people to start looking for employment and our government won't be so strapped. Ok so I probably upset some people, but, that's ok. I felt it needed to be said.

starryeyes83

Good for you , Jerry... Sorry to hear you're on disablility, but you must be making quite a bit more than someone of the " lower end " I know a few people who only draw about $800 a month and keeps falling through the cracks, when it comes to extra help. And their rent was raised by quite a bit. They're stuck in limbo. And they used to work all the time until they got sick. It's just not fair for some.