Ohio officials grapple with health care overhaul

Ohio officials are grappling with how to approach the federal health care law now that the presidential election is behind them.
Associated Press
Nov 11, 2012


State health officials said Thursday they are preparing to notify Washington if they'll be setting up a new health insurance market, called an exchange. States face a Nov. 16 deadline to submit their plans.

Greg Moody, director of the governor's office of Health Transformation, says Ohio is leaning toward a federally-facilitated exchange, with the state keeping its authority to oversee health plans.

The state must also decide whether to expand Medicaid, which serves the poor and disabled. About 2.2 million Ohioans are enrolled in the nearly $19 billion program.

Moody says officials will take up that decision in the state's two-year budget, expected to be released in February.



Swamp Fox

Obamacare can still be killed. The law states that each state may set up heath insurance exchanges, if they fail to do this the Federal Government will set up the exchanges for that state, the problem for the feds are at that point they must then fund that exchange. No funds has yet been appropriated by Congress for this and with the House of Representatives in Republican control good luck on the funding. Florida, Alabama, Louisiana and Texas has already passed or will pass laws to not set up or fund these exchanges in their states. With the Federal mandate forcing the states to fund a larger portion of Medicare this action by these state are justified and not prohibited by the Supreme Court action that only applied to the constitutionality of the law and not the funding of the law.

The Big Dog's back

swampy, Obamacare is staying. Why not improve it. (single payer)


I agree. That would be a HUGE improvement in our healthcare system! We would NEVER be like all of the OTHER countries with single payer systems. No, taxes wouldn't go up to exorbitant levels (Sweden, Great Britain). Care would NEVER be downgraded such that everybody who can afford to in those single payer countries tends to come HERE for treatment. There would NEVER be rationing (like there is in Great Britain) or long waits (Canada's a good example). And the system would absolutely, positively support itself and not dig a deeper and deeper financial hole for the government (like it does...well, EVERYwhere else).

Keep dreamin', Big Dog. I'd like a pet unicorn with MY single payer plan! Can you manage that, too?


Whatever the decision, those without health care coverage are screwed. Health insurance companies, Big Pharma and hospitals who built disgustingly lavish, unnecessary facilities continue to control health care costs.


NEED TO START A petition in OHIO

It’s quite amazing actually, but not surprising what is taking place post re-election of Barack Hussein Obama. Remember, as I write this, that Obama comes from the same state as Abraham Lincoln and that just as Lincoln oversaw a divided nation, Barack Obama is also making it that way. Lincoln oversaw our nation’s War of Northern Aggression or for those who grew up in public school education, the Civil War. Now it seems that the same mindset is beginning in our country again with petitions submitted to the White House petitions site.

First there was a petition to “Peacefully grant the State of Louisiana to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government.” The petition was created November 7 and already has 3,521 signatures. It needs 25,000 by December 7 of this year in order to garner a response from Barack Obama.

The petition was clear and to the point:

“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”

“…Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government…”

Lest you think this petition is isolated. A petition was begun on Friday for Texas to peacefully withdraw from the United States of America and create its own new government. The petition reads:

The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government’s neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the US suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, the TSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it’s citizens’ standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government.

I must admit I’m very uneasy about the current administration. I’m uneasy about the ideology of the current occupant of the White House. I’m uneasy about the massive increase in taxes coming and the failure of Congress to stand up and demand the Constitution be upheld, wasteful spending be stopped, undeclared foreign wars cease, and government “charity be abandoned. I’m uneasy about the power grabs that are taking place along with the complete ignoring of the Constitution. What are we to expect except that Americans will become angry and say they have had enough? Well, it looks like that time is quickly approaching.

Read more: http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/1...

The Big Dog's back

bear, You are more than welcome to go to either of those states. We wouldn't miss either one.


I wonder if Nixon's advisors of the Southern Strategy saw this coming. The strategists have already lost Colorado, Arizona, Florida and New Mexico. North Carolina and Virginia are leaning farther north.

Would we be better off without Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, Georgia, South Carolina. Tennessee, West Virginia and Kentucky? Actually we would. These states send fewer tax dollars to Washington, and receive more on the return. California and the northern states subsidize many southern states.

Visual Economics


The Confederate States of America, eriemom. What else?


If those States that you mention wish to withdraw from the Union, and can gain the necessary petition names to do so, then let them. I sincerely hope they do not plan on taking any funds with them. They would not be entitled to do that. They would have to start their own funding you know. They would have to stop their Medicare and Medicaid, they wouldn't be entitled to any government funding of any kind including school funding or any federal aid of any type: including military aide, etc. So if they were attacked they would be on their own.

Be careful what you wish for, you surely may get it. I don't know that some of those people have thought this through. Their hospitals, nursing homes, universities, etc, would no longer be eligible for any Pell Grants, government assisted loans, etc. Their housing markets could no longer avail themselves of the government VA loans or FHA loans as well, as they are no longer part of the USA.

Perhaps those signing these petitions might want to rethink the signing of these until their NEW governements can set up those programs to which they will now belong. Banks in those States will no longer be protected by the FDIC. They cannot work with the Fed. Deposit system either. Their home loans with out of state lenders are SURE to be called in immediately. Insurance companies won't insure in those states either. Just a few minor changes to be aware of. Because until further notice....they no longer exist for anyone withdrawing from the USA. Just a thought.


Last time I checked, I believe there are now 13 or 14 petitions from various states.

Isn't it interesting that Barack Obama claims to so admire Abraham Lincoln who is credited with freeing the slaves and keeping the union together? Well, ironic, maybe, as opposed to interesting. After all, Mr. Obama is clearly working to enslave us ALL and, as a result, is digging the schism between those who wish to remain free and those who wish to be taken care of even deeper...


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i believe that there is now 15 states involved. i can't wait to sign the petition!



Pretty cool link abigbear. Civil War II?


The heck with healthcare.

Let everyone sit around and smoke pot all day now that it's legal. It cures what ails ya or maybe you just are to high to give a darn.

Swamp Fox

doggie like Canada where you wait months to see a doctor, which by the way is why so many Canadians come to the U.S. for the finest private health care in the world, but why would a democrapper understand the free market.
If its not funded its a no go....

Hey doggie what happened to your union hacks in Michigan, the home of the UAW, the voters defeated two major union backed issues, only a matter of time before Michigan is a right to work state, the dominos will all follow...

The Big Dog's back

Does it ever get boring repeating that same old lie about Canadian healthcare? I wonder why Canada's life expectancy age is 80.9 and the Us is 78.5?


Same reason Canadians tend to commit murders at a lower rate than the U.S. Despite the many obvious similarities, there's a different culture there. Less obesity is perhaps only the most obvious factor in the life expectancy rates.

Call it a "lie" all you like, the facts say otherwise. The wait for a simple MRI in Canada, for example, can be MONTHS. Those who are unwilling to wait (would YOU be?) and who can afford it travel here to get one much more quickly. The only thing "better" about the Canadian system than ours is the cheap prescription drugs. And I don't know that you can even call THAT better since the prices are subsidized by (you guessed it) the government (in other words, taxpayer dollars).


I don't think Obama has been the one dividing the nation. For far more obvious examples, look no further than the Limbaughs, Becks, Hannitys and Levins, who, as entertainers, whip their listeners into believing all sorts of silly conspiracy theories. The sad part of today's Republican party is that people like the above are driving the party, NOT the electorate or the politicians.

My son, a journalist and Democrat, took on Hannity during a call-in to his radio show recently. It was rather funny, as he backed Hannity into a corner, and basically out-logiced him. When his call was later played on the radio, Hannity had erased the final 30 seconds of the conversation, in which my son laid Hannity's argument to waste.


@ coasterfan
I think that we should continue to egg them on. It is kind of cute that they think that everyone agrees with their positions. They will be led to believe that the reason they lost to a Democrate again was because they didn't have a great candidate. Not one of them will question the platform that they run on. At least we will get immigration reform out of this election.

Finn Finn

It's even CUTER that you and Dog think everyone agrees with YOUR positions (barely suppressed chuckles). A popular vote count of somewhere around 50% to 48% - hardly a mandate, landslide or rout, any way you look at it. Translation, about 48 out of every 100 people who voted PREFERRED the platform the GOP ran on. But then the left have never been graceful winners.


John Boehner said the healthcare law is the law of the land so why not just work to make it better instead of fighting the fight that has already been won three times. Congress, SCOTUS and the voters. Haven't you republiclowns figured it out yet?


You're right about Congress and (unfortunately, thanks to an appallingly bad call by John Roberts) SCOTUS. But you're wrong about voters. The majority still oppose Obamacare, and that majority is going to grow by leaps and bounds as more hours are cut, more employees are laid off, and fewer jobs are created.


Wrong AGAIN! The voters spoke last Tuesday. Saying something over and over and OVER does not make it true. Not only was the President re-elected, the Republiclowns only won one race that night. Read the memo, the American people do NOT want what you and the likes of you are selling!


Sorry, deertracker, but you're associating election results with something else entirely. First, the popular vote was no landslide (though when it comes to the electoral college tally, I don't see how you could call it anything else). Regardless, polls taken THE DAY OF THE ELECTION show that the majority of voters still oppose Obamacare.

Sure, that's one reason I'm not able to understand why the majority voted for Obama, but it doesn't change the still widespread opposition to nationalized healthcare, at least this particular version of it!


I don't think anyone really associated the two at the time of the election. They were actually voting the men and there stands on other items: taxes, immigration law and women's rights. Frankly I really don't think most people voted for Obama based on Obama-care.

This election became the lesser of two evils and Mitt Romney just plain made too many mistakes in his speeches about the "rich taxing", that stupid comment about the "47%" of Americans, immigration laws and abortion stands". Once those statements were made, he was dead in the water.

Had the GOP pushed for Santoram....he might have beat Obama, but sadly the GOP just didn't get it.


You are correct that John Boehner stated that. But after saying that he also stated he would continue to repeal if not some, all of obamacare.


How can he repeal the law of the land? Alot of states have accepted the fact that it is law and have agreed to set up the health exchanges. How long are you people going to drink the TEA? It's over, Rmoney LOST. Move on!


I totally agree


Finn Finn: Obama won popular vote by 3 million, won every single one of the swing states, and won the electoral count by well more than 100. The only people who don't think that was a landslide are the people who lost. I understand your party's need to save face, but unfortunately, history gets written by the winners.

Eriemom: I think you're right. We should let the rightwing radios windbags continue their rants. Clearly, they didn't get the message this election sent: the GOP has become irrelevant, a bastion of angry, old white men who no longer are a majority viewpoint. As long as they remain in denial, they won't push for changes that would make their party more competitive in 2016 and beyond. They have alienated a huge swath of the electorate, and I read that each year, the number of Republicans declines by a full percentage point. If the goal in winning an election is to garner a majority of the vote, I should probably send a thankyou note to the tea-partiers, Mourdock and Akin for helping Obama to get re-elected.

Finn Finn

3 million out of 120 million is a small percentage. This is popular vote, votes cast by actual people, not the electoral college. Clearly, a large portion of people who voted did not vote for Obama. The only people who think there was a landslide are folks like you who can't contain their glee and want to shout from the rooftops "WE WON". I will never understand the lack of graciousness coming from that side of the isle after a victory.

Making silly proclamations like, "they have alienated a huge swath of the electorate", and "are no longer a majority viewpoint" doesn't fool anyone into thinking that's true. That's your wishful thinking, nothing more. The entire mid-section of the country voted Romney, why do you choose to ignore them? I can't believe you actually think the GOP is going to roll up and die, never to be heard from again, never to win the presidency again. Naivete.

FYI - I am a white, 50 yr. old woman. See, you're wrong again.


Until the GOP realizes that AMERICA itself is no longer the white, 50 year old female majority then they are in trouble. They missed and entire market of people out there who COULD have voted for Romney and didn't because of the narrow viewpoint of the GOP as it stands right now. If it does not do some streamlining and revamping to get in "touch" with the new America, they will be hardpressed to stay the "grand old party". Even their upper rank and file seemed to know that one is true, or they did on Sunday morning.

Finn Finn

I'm not following you Mama. You say, "they missed an entire market of people who COULD have voted for Romney and didn't because of the narrow viewpoint of the GOP." To what are you referring? (I'm not being a smart aleck. I'd like to pick your brain a little, maturely, to try to understand your side.) You talk about a "new America" but again I say, nearly the entire mid-section of the nation as well as the south voted Romney.

It's my opinion, and ONLY my opinion, that a lot of folks here on this comment board and in the Sandusky, Ohio area seem to think they are representative of the nation, sort of the blue collar, UAW type, and I would disagree. The mid-section of the country is comprised of a lot of small business owners, farmers, rural folks with a more conservative point of view. They are not inconsequential and in fact, helped to elect George Bush president twice. I don't believe there has been a ground swell of liberalism among them. The results of the last election would indicate that. Obama carried the more liberal states with the big cities, New York, Chicago, L.A., the liberal northeast, as expected. The race came down to a few biggies, Florida, Ohio, Virginia, which all could have gone either way.

I just don't see any big move to the left that you seem to be suggesting.


Businesses are already finding creative ways to lower their full time employee payroll to under 50 employees so they are not fined for not supplying health care forced by the government. Starbucks has reduced a majority of their employees hours to under 30 to meet the government mandate. I know of another local business that is going to just pay the fine imposed by the government and eliminate health care for their employees because it's just cheaper. I know of two small businesses that are just going to close up shop rather than work for the government through taxes and mandates.

This is going to get really ugly, really soon.


You mean finding creative ways to increase their own progfits and screw their hard working employees! Keep it real!


ObamaKare is such a lousy piece of Rube Goldberg-style legislation that it will eventually come apart on it’s own.

Congress will continually have to retool and rework it in order to fix the mounting problems.

"You have not converted a man because you have silenced him." - John Morely



@ eriemom:

So what's the problem?

Looks like many of the southern states are doin' it the way the Progessives would approve. Let the rich states send swag to the poorer states.

Why not remove the federal tax expenditure for the deduction of state and local income and property taxes and let the citizens of CA, NY and other high tax states feel the real impact of them?

Hey, once I become eligible for SS and Medicare, I'll vote for every increase in bennies that comes along. Spread the wealth right?

Let's borrow, print, spend and suck the youth of our country's income dry in taxes to support the gerries. Whatdoyasay?

To H*ll with the federal debt - we owe it to ourselves.

The New World Czar

The topic of certain states subsidizing other...California is already over its own head in debt...how can they subsidize anybody?

The New World Czar

The topic of certain states subsidizing others...California is already over its own head in debt...how can they subsidize anybody?


Coaster...out logiced him.HAHHHHHHHHAH!!!!!!! (Sure that wouldn't be difficult) Oh..thanks to Abe Lincoln we still pay income tax - that Civil War thing. The system worked and Obama won. How I enjoy reading crying "adults." Maybe if Gingrich would have served in Nam.......


A record 22% of the population (74M people) are now on Medicaid. 47M are on food stamps.

Taxin' the wealthy alone ain't gonna cut it. Tax increases will eventually "trickle down" to the largest group - the middle class.

Medicaid currently pays for the majority of a resident's nursing home care costing around $100K per yr.

There are 78M baby boomers, the majority of whom are arriving at retirement stone cold broke without any savings.

Who's gonna pay for their SS, Medicare and Medicaid?

The boomers (mostly white people) will bankrupt this country.

Enjoy Mr. Obama's pyrhic victory. The fiscal hangover from the election eve party is about to begin.




Teachers beware you will be the front line of people on obamacare. Just like if you dont make drinking age 21 you will not get fed money for roads. Hello teachers the same thing will happen with unioncare..i mean obamacare..same thing... Yes that is the new word. UNIONCARE.I am going to lmao when your insurance changes to UNIONCARE