Sandusky police chief search committee to start over

Five city officials entrusted to make arguably Sandusky's most important hire ever have admitted they botched the entire process.
Andy Ouriel
Oct 24, 2012

 

Members of a committee responsible for helping select the next police chief must rest their entire seven-month process to find a new top cop.

An attorney hired to look into the committee's progress concluded three of the five candidates are ineligible to become Sandusky's next police chief because they are not active duty and working full time.

"This should be considered a failed search," committee member Thanda Maceo said. "If we want to do justice to the citizens of Sandusky, and we are still in need of a police chief, we need to reopen the search."

For more on this story, including the committee's top pick before they scrapped the search and the potential costs, pick up a copy of Wednesday's Register.

 

Comments

T. A. Schwanger

Shall we start over with a new committee and Commissioner in charge of same and include the Law Director in the process.

Thanks Commish Cole and Commish Poole for you steadfast resolve of this issue.

T. A. Schwanger

wiredmama222

What, and waste even MORE taxpayer money? For what purpose. Just put Lt Orzech in as chief and be done with it. At this point, who cares anyway.

But I do say that the next few months, there will be well trained eyes of citizens watching the commissioners....who works, who does not? Who moves anything forward, who stays in place? Who goes, who stays?.

Many people in Sandusky are SICK of watching nothing happen or screw ups such as this take place and last minutes calls costing more and more of our money for idiotic problems that could have been taken care of sooner.

There are many out here who want this nonsense ended or commissioners and others in power will see heads roll. We are fed up paying for NOTHING.

cugs1

mr schwanger i agree with the first part of ur post. but please dont credit either cole or poole for their efforts. cole is only pissed because her choice to whom she promised the job, al mathews, wasnt selected. and poole was nothing more than a security guard his whole career who obviously thinks he knows law enforcement, which he duznt. but yes ur right, they should start over with a whole new committee

Centauri

This will be interesting to see who will be added to the list of the top picks.

luvblues2

I don't live in Sandusky but I have read all this crap. Neither side is right. First being the Committee for not sticking to the charter and then next the ones who complained at 11:59 in the short hour. Freakin' no wonder the -tuckies don't want to go there and would rather be in Fremont instead.

Westend Homeown

i often wonder why the people that don't live in sandusky constantly read about it and are so quick to judge and tell how it should or shouldn't be taken care of..... don't other cities have newspapers heck i would think even fremont would!

luvblues2

Because we care about the entire local area? Yeah, that might be it. Neighboring communities matter to some of us. We do have things to do other than in our little microcosm of "locality". Not reading ALL the local news just makes you ignorant and uninformed.

Westend Homeown

If that is how we show caring I would hate to see how we are supposed to treat our enemies! Maybe if you would have read ALL of what I wrote you would have seen I mentioned the word JUDGE... I read news from the surrounding areas as well but as I do not LIVE there I don't feel I have the right to JUDGE THEM OR THEIR TOWN especially if I am only being informed by what is being written in a newspaper article and not by living in the city and seeing it myself. And to further go on to resulting to calling people ignorant realy went all out to show how caring you really are didn't it? One last thing what did you not living here have to do with the article that it so desperately had to be the first thing mentioned in your original comment?

luvblues2

Am I to take it that I cannot comment on the Sandusky Register site because I don't live there? I do feel I have some rights just driving through the local area. I didn't know nor have I witnessed a law stating that my rights and judgment (IMHO), stop at my city limits and end at yours. When I drive through Sandusky, I expect the same rights as I have anywhere in the USA. Including cutting your city down for bad behavior. Deal with it.

luvblues2

AND really, if you love your city so much and want the bitching about it to stop, DO something. Make it change and quit calling all the rest of us around you -tuckies.

pavedparadise

Well said Westend Homeowner

luvblues2

Scrap

Curley

I'm sick and tired of the selection for the new police chief we have a good candidtate in John O. please hire him he seems like he is the most candidate. Tell Mr. Brown and Ms. Cole to look else where if they have any problems talk it out among them selves. I believe to hire within also when we hire from outside includding the fire dept and police something always happens and they either get fired or they quit.

trafficman

Just give the job to Orzak. Evaluate his job performance at 3 month intervals for a year. If his performance is what is expected, make it a permanent appointment. If not, then start the process over. Maybe this will work out and save the city some money.

DGMutley

The selected candidate is automatically on a probationary period of six (6) months according to the charter.

Curley

I agree with Trafficman give the job to John Orzak like I said before if someone is hired from outside either the fire or police something happens either they quit or get fired. Hire from within.

JIMBO2

It should not take a year and $28000 in expenses to select a police chief. Advertise, take applicants, City Manager does her job and selects a chief. What is so hard about it ?

wedge1

Being that the selection committee botched the whole process, don't you think that they ought to refund the taxpayers that money back. Time to pull your wallets out, folks ....

Gardenman

I don't have a lot of confidence in most of the Sandusky city leaders. They seem to botch up so many things. Seems no end to it. You elect new people to city commission and they promise the world and deliver less than satisfactory performance. Maybe ar lot Sandusky's problems are not it's citizens but rather its leaders and unfortunately it gets no better over time.

007

Wait a minute, I think we are forgetting that we have a law director Icsman. Isn't that what he is paid to do by the taxpayers to oversee that the decision makers AKA commissioners follow the charter and legal guidelines? All Icsman does is sit like a bump on a log. He needs to be fired as he has proven that either he is to remedial to do his job as law director, or is just plain lazy !!

akmed

20 grand down the drain now start over. Savy I say.

God Of Thunder

I keep reading, trying to find where it says, 'Smile! You're on Candid Camera!' This has to be a joke.. I cannot believe they no one on that committee didn't know that it would have to be an active policeman. Which I don't get anyway.. And the elected officials wonder why there is so much bitterness from all of the residents???
C'mon and get your heads out of your a**** and start running the city the way it should be..

SamAdams

There's an old saying that a camel is a horse designed by a committee. I think this whole police chief search more than proves the truth of it!

Most of the people posting here are right: It isn't that hard! Announce the position and required qualifications. Review the applications, and throw out those who aren't qualified. Interview the rest. Then pick the best one. Duh.

I understand that this is an important position with a lot of responsibility, but when you get right down to it, it's a JOB. Treat it like it is, and use the tried and proven hiring process any big company might use for such a position. No committees, no studies, no nonsense. And certainly no expenditure of some $28,000 that bought us nothing but another lesson in the incompetence of most who are in charge of our not-so-fair city!

Darkhorse

It comes down to staff not doing their jobs. The city continues to drop the ball with no accountability. It is time to start rolling heads. Either staff starts doing their job or you get fired; it is that simple. Costing the taxpayers money is not an option anymore for not doing your job.

wiredmama222

Mr Schwanger, neither Cole nor Poole is right, nor Brown according to the story in the paper from the findings. He did nothing wrong according to the report...as he was accused by Cole and Poole. The committee "goofed" as was reported by the investigation.

The report openly stated the most qualified is Orzak.

Too much money has been spent already to begin again only to come out right where we are now. It is pretty obvious that Orzak is who will make the five or three finalist again anyway.

Ard will drag her feet and it will be well into 2013 before this town has a new chief.

This town is overspent now....get it overwith and just put the man in and deal with it. If he fails, THEN find a new chief. He can't do any worse than the numbskulls we have had in the past, now can he. Seems he has been playing at chief anyway as he is the spokespearson at almost every leading case that comees down the pike of late while Lang stands in the background.

Just get it overwith and let it go. Its time.

This city needs to consentrate on the leaders we have and who needs to go. We need to really consider the ones who cost us money, the ones who are frivilous with our funds and who is moving us forward and who isn't? Who is doing their jobs and who are NOT? Over the next few months, let us all take a real hard look at that one....let us all watch at how is working and who is sitting on their butt doing NOTHING. The collective eyes of Sandusky should be watching because some of them need to GO....that, to, is time.

Darkhorse....I couldn't agree with you more if my head were sewn to the floor!!!!!!!

donutshopguy

These elected misfits continue the death spiral of the city of Sandusky. Maybe we need a study to understand the city charter? What's a few more wasted taxpayer dollars.

wiredmama222

That is exactly what I mean....just give it to Orzeck and be done with it. This is just stupid. Why waste any more dollars.

DGMutley

A study isn't needed to understand the city charter all one has to do is to read it. It's pretty straightforward.

wiredmama222

Right on....another study to study a study of a study. Money well spent to study the word THE.

Cityslicker

Correct spelling is John Orzech. And he is the most qualified, and should get the position without spending any more cash. Let's move forward for a change.

wiredmama222

However you spell it, just put him in as chief and be done with it. That is who was wanted all along. I said that from day one and it won't change. Just do it and move on for goodness sake.

ok

No wonder the city of Sandusky is falling apart and is full of drugs, crime, and derelicts. You have at a minimum 2 qualified candidates and you can't hire them to be a Police Chief because they are not active. I understand the city charter lays out the requirements and the committee screwed it up. Seems like Sandusky spends a lot of money on proving they screwed up. What ever happened to hiring the best and most qualified candidate? I think if the City of Sandusky hired the most qualified candidate it would be an outsider and they just couldn't have that. Not to mention to many people have some type of agenda and won’t be happy if it's not achieved, even if it meant hiring the right guy. At this point in time Sandusky is getting and will continue to get what they deserve.....leaders that have no idea how to lead and tax payer’s money squandered.

wiredmama222

All of what you say may be true, so what is your solution to the problem? They cannot go back and undo what has been done so what do they do? Continue to waste the money or hire one of the two they have that already passed the testing they have?

It seems to me that if they were going to reduce it to THREE anyway, why not just move forward with those two and decide from those two. Why waste more money and begin again????? This is just like lighting a match to a stack of twenty dollar bills as far as I am concerned.

Give the list to Ard and let her decide NOW. Name the chief from the two you have that have had the testing and background checks. Let them meet and greet as planned and let her chose NOW. Get it over with.

If the person doesn't work out THEN start again. You have a six month window anyway. So why waste more money now on the outside chance this person will not work out when they may very well be good at the job.

THINK PEOPLE!!!!!!!

ok

I agree

Darkhorse

We will do it over with the same committee, same applicants, same results and more wasted money and time. It is digusting and pathetic to say the least. The city acts like they don't know what they are doing half the time.

SamAdams

Darkhorse, I'd love to argue with you. Unfortunately, I can't. The City's past history is almost certain to prove you right. What's the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.

As for your notion that "the city acts like they don't know what they are doing half the time," well, you ARE wrong about that one! I think it's significantly MORE than half the time!

DGMutley

ok,
Drugs aren't going away, crime isn't going away, and people without money aren't going away; so Sandusky isn't really falling apart any more than any other city.

wiredmama222,
Can't move forward with just two because it wouldn't be legal.

Darkhorse,
We don't have to do it all over again. The eligible candidates simply move up on the list. That was pretty simple, wasn't it? Why would they start the process over again?

wiredmama222

How would it NOT be legal to go forth with the two that are left????? If the two remaining candidates fill the bill according to the "attorney" who did the investigation, why not go forward and chose from these two?????

I don't see the illegality of this? Please explain!!!!!

Darkhorse

Mutley, The Police Chief Committee is starting all over again on November lst at City Hall, second floor conference room at 5:00 p.m. with wanted ads being resubmitted for applicants for the position. I certainly hope the city explains in the ads that people out of work and retired need not apply so they don't waster their time. LOL

DGMutley

In other words the candidates must not have been ranked from least eligible to most eligible--i.e. no list. It's all good, though. This is just a little bump in the road--we live and learn. lol

wiredmama222

Darkhorse.....what you are saying is, they take the list they have and add to it from that? Anyone who is currently working from that list is eligible? And anyone new who may apply? How long will the application and ad be open? There must be some closing date? When is that?

Will they go through those and pick some from those first applications? If they fit the charter they are on the finalist list?

How much is all this going to cost now? Are these meetings open to the public?

How many names do they have to take for the new list to be complete?

DG said picking from the two names that were left that the attorney ok's wouldn't be legal. Why is that?

Thanks for the answers in advance. Kate

T. A. Schwanger

Read the charter it is on line at the City's web site.... Repeat Repeat etc.

DGMutley

http://www.conwaygreene.com/Sand...

From the Sandusky CHARTER, Section 27, Civil Service:

...the Selection Board shall certify to the City Manager the names of not more than three (3) applicants who are eligible...

The City Manager shall appoint to the vacancy at issue one (1) of the three (3) persons certified by the Selection Board as eligible and qualified for said appointment. ...

wiredmama222

@DG.....if there were two, then they could do it legally. It states clearly that there can be NO MORE THAN THREE, so two isn't illegal. And one of the three persons certified by the selection board as eligilbe and qualified according to said appointment.

They had all they needed in the two candidates they had.....there was nothing wrong and they could have LEGALLY gone forward with the two they had. Your points were incorrect. What a waste of time, effort and money.

DGMutley

I don't agree. "The City Manager shall appoint to the vacancy at issue one (1) of the three (3) persons certified by the Selection Board as eligible and qualified for said appointment." from the charter can't be satisfied with just 2 candidates.

Actually, it should be moot though because the committee should just gone down their list for the next most eligible candidate--they had at least 29.

If the committee feels that they should just start over again (amidst all the controversy) that should be their prerogative. As I said before this is just a bump in the road--everything will turn out all right. The commissioners are not professional politicians. They are going through the learning process which is fine with me.

wiredmama222

And I disagree with YOUR idea of what is said.

It says UP TO THREE, not from three. They could have easily run with the two they had. It wasn't illegal as you stated.

This is nothing more than a reflex to appease TWO commissioners and keep them quiet, as I see it.

Going back and doing this again is to shut them up, add the names of the people THEY want added to the mix and begin again-harrigan.

What a waste of time, energy and money.

I blame Icsman for NOT telling these people IF, in fact, they were off the beaten path. Why are we paying him if he doesn't know his job? He sat right at that commission meeting and said they followed the charter only to find out they did not. If anyone is at fault it is HE who is at fault. Did you note NOTHING was investigated or mentioned about him in that report? Why is that? Because attorneys don't regulate their own or what?

This has been a first class screw up from the beginning. If there is EVER anything to be decided again, the commissioners better do their jobs and stop depending on public committees to do the work for them. That is what they get paid to do. If it is too hard for them, then do not run for office.

This entire way this city set up really does not make it run right. But no one seems to notice or care. They need to revamp it some. The commissioners do little to nothing to move this city forward and that is exactly why we have all these problems.

There are too many chiefs and not enough indians on this reservation. It has to change and quickly if this city is going to survive. This last debacle is proof positive of the ineptness of the way this city is handled.

I hope someone gets smart, sees there are changes needed and makes the changes soon. Heaven knows we need something done quickly.

DGMutley

In all due respect, you have been critical of the way the city is being run forever. I don't share your belief. I think the city is being managed just fine.

wiredmama222

With all due respect to you, I have been critical for the last 18 months or so, when my eyes were opened to how bad things were. Never before then.

With all due respect to you,sir, do you understand the lack of business downtown? The lack of business within this city for hiring people? The rise in crime within this city? The poor infrastructure within the city? The lack of structure within the city police department? A city manager who never answers questions of the newspaper or the public? A city commission that seldom works together to get things done?

And you can still say that there city is being run just fine?

Ok! Many of us out here must be blind or imagining the above listed problems, because they are real and are not being managed at all.

But if you say they don't exist and are being managed, then you must know something the rest of us do not. I guess, sir, we will have to accept that as the authority of how things really are.

Thank you for correcting that for me and the rest of us out here who don't know any better.

Darkhorse

The Police Committee meetings are open to the public for anyone who would like to sit in on them. The committee will start all over again by submitting an ad going out to start the whole process again with everyone resubmitting their applications once again. As for the screw up on this situation, the public should be outraged and demanding some accountability. There is absolutely no excuse for what happened.

T. A. Schwanger

May I suggest either a new committee, a different Commissioner and the inclusion of the Law Director or the combination of all three.

wiredmama222

Who would YOU suggest from the commission? The investigation stated Brown did nothing wrong, so who would YOU suggest? The law director has been doing his job as it is, he needs to get busy. The committee is fine as it is.

Cityslicker

Wasn't the last appointed Police Chief a going away present from the exiting City Manager?