Obama, Romney seek support from women after debate

One day after their contentious, finger-pointing debate, President Barack Obama and Republican Mitt Romney vied aggressively for the support of women voters Wednesday, as they and their running mates charged across nearly a half-dozen battleground states in the close race for the White House with 20 days to run.
Associated Press
Oct 18, 2012

 

Not even Republicans disputed that Obama's debate performance was much stronger than the listless showing two weeks earlier that helped spark a rise in the polls for Romney. The two rivals meet one more time, next Monday in Florida.

The first post-debate polls were divided, some saying Romney won, others finding Obama did. At least some of the voters who asked the questions in the town-hall style encounter remained uncommitted. "If Gov. Romney could actually provide the jobs, that would be a good thing because we really need them," said Nina Gonzalez, a 2008 Obama voter, neatly summarizing the uncertainty confronting voters in a slow-growth, high-unemployment economy.

Obama wore a pink wristband to show support for Breast Cancer Awareness Month as he campaigned in Iowa and then Ohio, and reminded his audience that the first legislation he signed after becoming president made it easier for women to take pay grievances to court.

Romney took no position on that bill when it passed Congress, and his campaign says he would not seek its repeal. But Obama chided him, saying, "That shouldn't be a complicated question. Equal pay for equal work."

He also jabbed at Romney's remark during Tuesday night's debate that as Massachusetts governor, he received "whole binders full of women" after saying he wanted to appoint more of them to his administration. "We don't have to collect a bunch of binders to find qualified, talented women," he said.

"I've got two daughters and I don't want them paid less for the same job as a man," Obama said at an appearance in Athens, Ohio, later Wednesday.

Obama spoke to a crowd of about 14,000 students and supporters at Ohio University, imploring them to vote early. "I want your vote. I am not too proud to beg. I want you to vote," he said.

Romney's campaign launched a new television commercial that seemed designed to take the edge ever so slightly off his opposition to abortion — another example of his October move toward the middle — while urging women voters to keep pocketbook issues uppermost in their minds when they cast their ballots.

"In fact he thinks abortion should be an option in cases of rape, incest or to save a mother's life," says a woman in the new ad. Pivoting quickly to economic matters, she adds, "But I'm more concerned about the debt our children will be left with. I voted for President Obama last time, but we just can't afford four more years."

That dovetailed with Romney's personal pitch to an audience in Chesapeake, Va.

"This president has failed American's women. They've suffered in terms of getting jobs," he declared, saying that 3.6 million more of them are in poverty now than when Obama took office.

With recent gains in the polls for Romney, he and the president are locked in an exceedingly close race as they shuttle from one critical state to another and dispatch surrogates ranging from former President Bill Clinton to ex-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to locations they cannot make on their own.

A little less than three weeks before Election Day, Obama appears on course to win states and the District of Columbia that account for 237 of the 270 electoral votes needed for victory. The same is true for Romney in states with 191 electoral votes.

The remaining 110 electoral votes are divided among the hotly contested battleground states of Florida (29), North Carolina (15), Virginia (13), New Hampshire (4), Iowa (6), Colorado (9), Nevada (6), Ohio (18) and Wisconsin (10).

As the campaign days dwindled down, the number of television commercials rose higher. According to media buyers who track ads, target voters in the area around Cleveland can expect to see an average of about 120 ads next week paid for by the two candidates and groups supporting them — more than 17 a day. There were similar, if somewhat less intense campaign-by-commercials under way across all the battleground states.

In many cases — Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin, Virginia, Nevada among them — competitive races for the Senate and even House contests added to the bombardment. So, too, campaign brochures, piling up in mailboxes earlier than past elections because of widespread pre-election day voting.

There was little mystery in the candidates' concentration on women voters. An AP-GfK survey taken in mid-September, when Obama was leading in the opinion polls, found that 8 percent of all likely votes were women who were either undecided or said they might change their minds.

Polls since the first debate two weeks ago show gains for Romney among women voters, a shift that Obama can ill afford given the traditional Republican advantage among men.

Democrats rebutted Romney's memory of the binders he received as the newly elected governor of Massachusetts in 2002.

On a conference call arranged by the Democratic National Committee, a former executive director of the Massachusetts Government Appointments Project said the group provided the resumes of women qualified for appointment unprompted. "To be perfectly clear, Mitt Romney did not request" them, said Jesse Mermell.

Romney quickly countered with a combination testimonial and fundraising appeal from Kerry Healey, who was his lieutenant governor in Massachusetts. She said he had named numerous women to his administration, adding, "He sought out our counsel, and he listened to our advice. We didn't always agree, but we were always respected."

Vice President Joe Biden's first stop of the day was in Greeley, Colo., where he mocked Romney on the same topic but in terms more pungent than Obama's. "What I can't understand is how he's gotten into this sort of 1950s time warp in terms of women," Biden said. "The idea he had to go and ask where a qualified woman was. He just should have come to my house. He didn't need a binder."

Republican Rep. Paul Ryan was in Berea, Ohio, where he said women were suffering under the economy as the end of Obama's term nears. "Twenty-six million women are trapped in poverty today. That's the highest rate in 17 years," he said. "We need to get people back to work."

In a lighter moment, he stopped by the football practice facility of the Cleveland Browns and lamented missing out on hunting season this fall. "I've got this election thing going on," he told Pro Bowl tackle Joe Thomas.

 

Comments

reporter54

You will soon realize that Romney cares nothing about women or their issues, nothing about working people or their issues and is only interested in furthering the portfolios of the rich (including his).

John Harville

Latest poll says Ohio women are turning even more to Obama...

meowmix

Not fair reporter--- Mutton does care about my uterus and all of it's goings-on......

John Harville

Mr. (no longer Governor) Romney doesn't 'care' about your uterus. He just wants to control what you do with it - and let you leave work early to go home and cook for your kids.

Riskkbreaker

How many times are you going to speak lies and half-truths to try to drown out the fact that your party had a bigger hand in the recession than the Republicans did?

How does Romney want to control what you do with your body? Let us see how plausible you make this sound.
I am sure your answer will pretend that women are so mentally inferior that they, not being able to make up their mind in the first 8 weeks, need to be able to destroy their unborn all the way up to the moment of delivery. Typical of a Democrat whose party has been known, historically, to view women as inferior.

And how does mentioning that he was able to allow women at his office to go home equate to making it a law that everyone must do the same? You are not even being close to realistic.

Note definition #1 and #3. It is what one has to do when trying to cover up their past, and the subtlety of what they are doing now.
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John Harville

Did he allow men in his office to go home early to fix dinner and take care of the kids? Obviously her work wasn't as important - or got pushed to some unmarried woman.

anthras

Nearly 2,000 pro-lifers called local Planned Parenthood clinics Oct. 18 to schedule mammograms, after President Obama implied the organization offers the service.

"When Gov. Romney says that we should eliminate funding for Planned Parenthood, there are millions of women all across the country who rely on Planned Parenthood for not just contraceptive care, they rely on it for mammograms,” said Obama Oct. 16 during the second presidential debate.

Planned Parenthood does not actually provide women with mammograms, but refers patients out to other facilities for the exam.

“Call it for what it is … if you're not doing mammograms, don't say that you do them,” Kate Bryan, communications director for Live Action, told EWTN News Oct. 19.

In response to the implication that the organization provides mammograms, the pro-life groups And Then There Were None and Live Action organized “Call Planned Parenthood to Schedule Your Imaginary Mammogram Day.”

Bryan said the idea was generated by And Then There Were None, and that Live Action “thought it was a great idea, to get to the bottom of it and expose the truth.”

Participants called the organization's national toll-free number to be connected to their local center, and were instructed to “tell Planned Parenthood you would like to schedule a mammogram,” according to Live Action's website.

The event's Facebook page asserted that “President Obama, Planned Parenthood CEO Cecile Richards, celebrities in Hollywood and countless Planned Parenthood supporters claim over and over that they” provide mammograms.

It also showed that 1,975 persons confirmed that they were participating in the event to “call out” Planned Parenthood, a turnout that Bryan deemed “a great success.”

In a February episode of The Joy Behar Show, Planned Parenthood president Cecile Richards said that “ if this bill ever becomes law, millions of women in this country are going to lose their health care access, not to abortion services, (but) to basic family planning. You know, mammograms, cancer screenings,” referring to a GOP-backed bill that would have cut funding to the organization.

Bryan characterized Richards' and Obama's comments as claiming Planned Parenthood is “doing all these live-saving treatments,” and “taking credit for” mammograms.

A statement released by Planned Parenthood on Oct. 17 said that “like the vast majority of primary care physicians and ob-gyns, Planned Parenthood doctors and nurses refer patients to other facilities for mammograms based on breast exams, age, or family history.”

The organization does provide clinical breast exams at their facilities. However any woman can also do this herself in her own home.

“For many women, Planned Parenthood is the only health care provider they will see all year, and thus the only way they will get a referral for a mammogram.”

According to the statement, women “rely on Planned Parenthood for referrals for and financial help with mammograms and specialized diagnostic follow-up tests (like ultrasounds and biopsies).”

The claim that Planned Parenthood improves access to mammograms and other health services is often used to maintain taxpayer funding for the group.

John Harville

My mother and sister both got mammograms from PP - who referred them and paid for the procedure.

And you used Eternal Word Television Network - that bastion of Catholic political doublespeak - as your main reference?

real talk

Any woman or minority, or anyone friends or family with them, is an idiot if they vote for Romney

Riskkbreaker

You only say that because you have not considered the likelihood that the Democrat leaders have been setting an economic trap for women and minorities (ever since their predecessors lost the Civil War and the Dems could not publicly call for policies to keep women and minorities down any longer), even as that trap seems to be finally closing shut.

Note definition #1 and #3. It is what one has to do when trying to cover up their past, and the subtlety of what they are doing now.
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sanduskysteve

Excellent Meow.... But on everything else, reporter is right on the mark.

meowmix

Agreed sanduskysteve.. Can't understand how any woman can support Mutt. Sheer phoney.

SamAdams

Huh. Sort of like I can't understand how anybody with an IQ above room temperature could support Obumbles, I guess...

As a woman, I must also point out that I think Planned Parenthood is a decent organization that happens to be utilized by a lot of women. What it ISN'T is a government agency, nor should it be. I resent paying for my birth control AND yours, thank you, and I strenuously object to paying any part of your abortion fees. Try fewer government funds and more personal responsibility, why don't you?

It might also be germane to note here that the President, for all of his much-vaunted bill signings and sympathies with women pays the females on his staff an average of 18% LESS than he pays the men on his staff. How...FAIR of him!

John Harville

Oh Sam... ya gotta support that last paragraph with a source and proof... oh, and please note the President does not pay the females on his staff. That would be set by...the House of Representatives with its heavily Republican majority.

About PP. You're right, it's NOT a government agency but Mr. Romney would 'kill it' anyway. OR would he? Tuesday night he expressed his belief that EVERY woman should have access to contraception (did he forget abortion is contraception?) And personal responsibility? I assume since you use birth control you also use condoms to guard against STDs? US Health Dept determined married women often contract uterine cancer from husbands who bring it home from their casual liaisons.

SamAdams

John,

See the Forbes article "White House Record On Women Should Be Better" at http://www.forbes.com/sites/rick...

or

"Obama's record on paying women White House aides not stellar" at
http://www.washingtontimes.com/b...

As for who determines the salaries in the White House, you're wrong there. Congress approves only the President's salary and then a TOTAL salary budget for the White House Staff.

See http://www.slate.com/articles/ne...

How would Gov. Romney "kill" Planned Parenthood? He'd stop their government subsidies, yes. But they're a private organization (non profit, too, as I recall) with other funding sources (including payment for services on a sliding scale).

"Access to contraception?" Yes. Taxpayer funded FREE contraception? Why? Abortion, by the way, is a surgical procedure. It is NOT a preventive measure. As for my own birth control, well, that's none of your business. I will tell you, though, that I've never been unintentionally pregnant, and I've never suffered an STD. It frankly doesn't take much to avoid either if you bother to take a little responsibility (up to and including keeping your clothes on if you're not otherwise "prepared" — which, I'd point out, costs NOTHING).

John Harville

Sama so. you give me Forbes, Washington Times and Slate as your champion sources.

Rmoney is the one who said he will kill PP.

meowmix

Sam-- first off, I can't remember you ever paying for my contraceptives. That's like saying I resent paying for roads that YOU drive on. I don't understand the talk-out-of-both-sides-of-your-mouth theorum. You don't want low income women to have access to affordable birth control yet object to abortion and THEN complain about them being on public assistance. Ridiculous!

As far as equal pay goes-- in every job I have been in that a man was MY equal--we both received the same pay. My current job however is largely held by females and I know I don't earn the wages I should! The pay would be much higher if my profession was held by more men. However, this type of job discrimination will always be around. I think a waitress should earn more than the guy that sits in a toll booth but that will never happen. There will always be a disparity between jobs that are generally held by women as opposed to the "man jobs".

Randy_Marsh

"I can't remember you ever paying for my contraceptives. That's like saying I resent paying for roads that YOU drive on. "
How many bars do you have to go to to become a public thourofare? Must be one worn out road to be complaining about potholes left by not having contraceptives.

MHL

Well you answered your own question didn`t ya?
It takes an IQ above room temperature!!!

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2cents

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hu...

A non partisin good read.

SamAdams

"Huffington Post" and "non-partisan" are, I'm afraid, mutually exclusive... Sort of like suggesting you refer to Rush Limbaugh for unbiased political reporting, only from 180 degrees the other way!

John Harville

HuffPost reports what others say. Faux News just gives you your opinion. And Rush has mostly become irrelevant.

Erie Countian

I have binders full of reasons I won't be voting for Romney.

Informed

Sam, do you object to paying for men's Viagra as well?

SamAdams

Absolutely.

Informed

Then tell me where is your outrage about insurance? Because your premium is paying for someone else's Viagra.

OSUBuckeye59

@Informed,
Most insurance companies are no longer paying for Viagra.

John Harville

59... you need to support that with facts.

John Harville

Sam... how about vasectomies? That's definitely birth control - and virtuallyy every insurance company pays for it. Or are you just anti-woman?

John Harville

Sam./.. do you just resent PP paying for it? Cuz the county health dept. dispenses birth control and condoms and does HIV tests - all coming out of your pocket...

Riskkbreaker

Correct me if I am wrong, but..isn't the Planned Parenthood thing the only legitimate (read: actual) issue between women and Mitt Romney?
And I mean, even coasterfan admits that Republicans merely campaign on regulating abortion but then they drop it like a hot potato after they are elected.

Did it ever occur to anyone that, even if he did remove govt funding for Planned Parenthood, you can still get cancer screenings in the, you know, cancer dePARTMENT (Oncology or w/e)!?
I love how Democrats always attach extra stuff to the things that we do need and then pretend like it is somehow all or nothing..AS IF we would magically lose our ability to screen for certain cancers (and other ailments that affect women) if Planned Parenthood wasn't getting govt funding anymore.

I honestly wish they WOULD do something to put the fear of responsibility back into teenagers, to scare them away from becoming "kids having kids."
How many mothers (and even grandmothers) are becoming grandmothers (and great-grandmothers) far too early, and end up being the one who takes care of their kid's child (or, in some cases, their grandkid's child)?
Have Democrat policies helped to mitigate this issue, or have they acted as an enabler for it?

Note definition #1 and #3. It is what one has to do when trying to cover up their past, and the subtlety of what they are doing now.
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SummerSomewhere

Like!!!

John Harville

You too shouldl inform yourself before RISKing the punch. In fact, teenagers in Ohio and the nation ARE being more responsible...but the same can't be said for their adult counterparts in Erie County where, in 2010, 395 of 745 live births were to unwed mothers/couples.

SummerSomewhere

You are a moron.

John Harville

Oooo. Were you one of the 395?

Riskkbreaker

I am surprised that you didn't try to attribute this new responsibility trend to a Democrat policy.
Do you know what caused this to happen? It was the Pro-Life movement who actually informed women about the reality of abortion..what the procedures actually consist of, new research showing the stages of development of the fetus, the risks, dangers, the adverse complications and after-effects which stack heavier with each additional abortion they undergo, not to mention the likely depression, etc.
It most certainly was not the Left Wingers, who have consistently tried to downplay these things.

Note definition #1 and #3. It is what one has to do when trying to cover up their past, and the subtlety of what they are doing now.
http://dictionary.reference.com/...

John Harville

It seems maybe you are the only RISK: "I honestly wish they WOULD do something to put the fear of responsibility back into teenagers, to scare them away from becoming "kids having kids.""
Do you EVER read anything more than rightwing info?
From ABC AUGUST 2012.."Teenagers are having babies at the lowest rate in at least 60 years."
Other articles and Health Department reports are resporting the same information, noting teenagers are more conservative in the approach and using condoms in record numbers to prevent preganancy and STDs.

And, yeah, when they first advocated ending funding for PP, Democrats AND PP noted NO government money goes for the 3% of PP that is involved in abortion...it's just nobody wanted to listen.

And there's also that FEDERAL law that prohibits ANY federal money being used to finance abortion ANYWHERE in the world.

Did you take classes in how to be uninformed?

Riskkbreaker

Your beloved Planned Parenthood cites that there are upwards of 1,000,000 unwanted pregnancies per year.
If things are starting to move towards improvement, I would say that is awesome.
This, still, does not change the fact that you support positions that acted (and are still acting) as an enabler for unwanted pregnancies (such as your "abortion is contraception" statement, which is repulsive).

Note definition #1 and #3. It is what one has to do when trying to cover up their past, and the subtlety of what they are doing now.
http://dictionary.reference.com/...

John Harville

Ohio lowest in 21 years. DAYTON, Ohio (AP) — Ohio's birth rate among teenagers has dropped to at least a 21-year low, a trend experts say reflects less sex and more contraceptives.

According to the Dayton Daily News, the Ohio Department of Health reports Ohio last year had 34 births among every 1,000 girls between ages 15 and 19. That was down from 41 births per 1,000 teens in 2008 and is the lowest birth rate for that age group since 1990.

But factual information doesn't matter, does it?

Want even more to yell about? Of 745 births in Erie County in 2010, 395 were to unwed couples. Waitin' on the rant!!!

SummerSomewhere

It's not the current babies causing the breakdown in our society... it's the products of this behavior who are old enough to wreak havoc on society now. The trend may be headed in the right direction, Einstein, but the benefits won't be felt for generations. Your argument is simply a red herring. Good on you.

John Harville

"The products of this behavior"? 'Splain it to me Summer. What behavior - you mean the parents from your generation who produced these teenagers who are being more responsible than you were? Once you define the "products", please define the 'havoc' they wreak on society now.
The 'benefits' of 84 babies born in 2010 to girls 15-19 "won't be felt for generations"? You mean until they have children?
The children born to families during the 'Baby Boom' was 5.6/family (though some averaged 6-8). The Baby Boomers, behaving more responsibly (while using birth control and 58 million being killed in Vietnam), limited the family birthrate to 2.3 children. Children of the Baby Boomers reproduced at a 1.8% clip and so far their grandchildren are even less.
Meanwhile the Baby Boomers built a huge SS trust fund that provided pensions for their parents and a huge pool from which Ronald Reagan borrowed to lower his deficit - and which Congress never has repaid.
The BB invented what they didn't have - like the computer you are using right now.
But I digress.
"the breakdown in our society" would be what?
and the "current babies" is where this thread began when RISK wanted more responsible behavior.
For me - four decades into marriage with my first wife - I would link any breakdown to the 20-30 somethings who either aren't marrying or are divorcing at will. Republicans stress the importance of the two-parent (male-female) but refuse to recognize how few of those exist - especially with original parents.

mikel

john - when you talk about the declining funds in social security don't forget to lay some of the blame on your boy o. you know, the one who had the great idea to decrease the amount each individual has to pay into it for the last 2 years and then has the ba!!s to blame someone else. just one more item that shows prez o has no idea what damage he is inflicting upon this country!

Riskkbreaker

I am sure that you will remain in denial about the fact that the Pro-Life movement is responsible for things starting to show some improvement.

Note definition #1 and #3. It is what one has to do when trying to cover up their past, and the subtlety of what they are doing now.
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John Harville

RISK..."Correct me if I am wrong, but..isn't the Planned Parenthood thing the only legitimate (read: actual) issue between women and Mitt Romney?"

Okay. No.

Equal Pay. Violence Against Women Act. Lilly Ledbetter (Ryan voted against). Eliminate Pell Grants. Healthcare generally. Well, that's a start.

Riskkbreaker

I will be back and will edit this reply after I have researched everything you just said. I can bet that these general statements you make are not what you make them see, tho.

Note definition #1 and #3. It is what one has to do when trying to cover up their past, and the subtlety of what they are doing now.
http://dictionary.reference.com/...

Randy_Marsh

If cancer prevention for women is so important to the Democrats why wasnt it included in Obamacare? You know, Because they care and all.

John Harville

Cancer Prevention IS in Obamacare. Everyone will have insurance in some form and EVERY insurance policy provides cancer screening...for men and women. Had your PSA recently. Have the women in your life had their annual screenings?

reese

Duh, it is.

John Harville

Cancer screenings/counseling/related items are among 22 items of Preventive Care Services for Women under OBAMACAREs. There are 26 services for men - including counseling for denial and other mental disorders....

reese

Oh, that was a good one!

Randy_Marsh

Then why the support for planned parenthood? If their services are already covered by obamacare why subsidize a outside agency to do the same thing? Weird huh? What does planned parenthood do that obamacare doesnt?

Randy_Marsh

Y U NO Answer Question???? HA!

reese

So sorry for overlooking your question. Planned Parenthood takes insurance as payment. Obamacare is a health insurance plan.

reese

In case I didn't fully answer your question...
Planned Parenthood is a non-profit provider of health care. Non-profit does not mean free to everyone. Obamacare is a way to pay for that care. The reasons why a person (a man or a woman)would choose to go to a non-profit provider vary.

Randy_Marsh

I understand. The taxpayers subsidize a organization to stay open to take in patients that pay with taxpayer funded insurance. Quite the scam, They get paid twice while not being held responsible for hitting the hot topic of stabbing fetuses in the head on the governmental level. No wonder why taxpayers are mad.

The Big Dog's back

rand, open mouth, insert foot.

Randy_Marsh

Dog
I didnt insert anything. Just pointing out the fact that we subsidize a agency for poor folks with no insurance when everyone now gets insurance due to Obamacare and they should do away with it because there is no need for it. Now they have insurance they can go anywhere for care.

MHL

@ Reese and Big Dog
You can`t argue ignorance,
Just vote. Vote twice:)

Randy_Marsh

Logic is confusing for you huh?

ramrod84

Well said, Sam.

God forbid Romney and conservatives not want hard-working, responsible taxpayers to pay for the irresponsible actions of others. Oh how many of you liberals did I OFFEND by saying "God" already?

People who think the government should be paying for anything to do with birth control are probably part of the 47 MILLION on food stamps that I pay for dispite the fact I'm a recent college graduate and can barely support myself in this free-loader economy we've become.

Less liberals would be liberals if they knew all the FACTS as opposed to listening to biased media coverage and debate moderators.

John Harville

Yeah. God wants people who take the name of God to follow the precepts of God/Jesus (the judaeo/Christian one not the Mormon one) to feed the poor and all that.
FACTS: 6 million US children live in poverty.
84 /745 births in Erie County in 2010 were to 15-19 year old women. In 2000 it was 124/952. In 1990 it was 137/1076

NOW TO YOU, a recent college graduate who, we must assume, used no grants, no government-backed loans, no guaranteed bank loans and no money from your parents AND attended a private rather than public college. We assume you protect your ramrod if you ever have a chance to dip it into another human being? Wouldn't want a ramrod12 popping out somewhere.

Riskkbreaker

Again you are harping on a little improvement (but far from good enough)and yet it still has not occured to you who is responsible for this improvement. Hint: it most certainly wasn't the Left Wingers which continue to downplay the dangerous effects of abortion (on both mother and the unborn), which those who undergo them will face.

As to that second part..First and foremost, there is nothing wrong with a loan if one knows that they can pay it back.
Secondly, stop trying to act like people should be forced to fund programs and services and then not use them after they were forced to pay taxes to fund them. It is like a kid saying to another kid "Haha, you keep wanting to use my bike"..after you already smashed HIS bike.

Note definition #1 and #3. It is what one has to do when trying to cover up their past, and the subtlety of what they are doing now.
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reese

Nope, Ramrod, I think that providing birth control to those who cannot afford to pay for it is a wise investment of my tax dollars, which prevents unwanted children from being born and prevents abortions, helps families and singles to plan when they want to have children, giving them the opportunity to establish careers and financial stability before taking on the added responsibility of having children.

And, I have never been on government assistance, though I am still paying on student loans, in case you consider that government assistance. I don't get most of my information from biased media and I like to research almost everything. Perhaps you should do a little research and find out who the people are who are supporting the candidates and positions of Democrats.

John Harville

I agree. More birth control = Less abortions AND less unwanted children.

Riskkbreaker

Congratulations. /golfclap
Now, if you can understand that Republicans are not trying to ban contraception, (no, not even the Personhood bill)..we could make some progress.

reese

Rmoney and especially Ryan are totally out of touch with women. All they care about is imposing their personal values on all the women who live in this country...take us back to the 50's...getting rid of Planned Parenthood, making all abortions and many popular forms of birth control illegal...letting employers decide whether you can get birth control with your insurance...talking about women as if they need to have preferential treatment in order to be accepted and be able to function in the world of work and talking about women as if they can't work normal hours because they have to get home to cook dinner.
How can anyone support someone like Rmoney who switches positions constantly. His campaign rushes in behind him after he takes positions and says he didn't mean to say what he said, and what he said is not his position. What does he stand for??? I think the answer to that question is, it depends on who he is talking to and what he thinks he needs to say to get support for the moment. He would be a Tea Party puppet,who would protect only the interests of the 1%.

John Harville

But it's all changed now, dear heart. Rmoney said Tuesday night he doesn't think government or employers should make decisions for women on contraception and that all women should have access to contraception.

reese

Yes, sir. I heard what he said. He thinks all women should have access to contraception...sounds very carefully worded by someone who wants to repeal Obamacare. Depends on how you define access. Could be that all women can go get it if they can afford it. Rmoney is very sneaky or shifty. Women need to be carefully examining what this man (Rmoney) is saying.

John Harville

I kknow. But Obamacare - and the part the Catholic bishops hate - provides a mean for all women to have access. Thus Rmoney's comment affirms Obamacares. Yes?
But he didn't MEAN to. And he didn't realize 'contraception' includes abortion. When I was a hospital worker in the 70s it was called a 'D&C'.

reese

Hey, is the rhythm method considered a contraceptive method, or is it just an unreliable birth control method...maybe that is what he was talking about???

Riskkbreaker

And there you have it, folks. In all of it's stark depravity...a Democrat comes clean finally and admits their true nature..saying that "Abortion is contraception."

SamAdams

In other words, they're not a lot different from the Democrats. Sure, you think they're imposing something on you with which you disagree (though you're wrong about making abortions and birth control illegal). After all, the Obama administration is insisting that those who really DO oppose contraception (and abortion) pay for it. The liberal Democrats are offending more than a few with demands that homosexuality get some kind of "minority" status (and before you start, while I AGREE with the sentiment this time around, I oppose any universal mandates on the issue).

Women DO need preferential (or special, if you prefer) treatment in the workplace. Last I checked, men don't get pregnant and give birth. And, whether we like it or not, women still outnumber men as the primary caregivers, especially for really young children.

Finally, Romney a Tea Party puppet? That's truly laughable. In any other state but Massachusetts, Romney would be considered pretty liberal!

reese

Sam,

Wrong about making abortion and birth control illegal????
Have you heard about the Personhood Amendment? It is in the Republican Party Platform. What do you think that means? No one that doesn't want to use contraception or to have an abortion would be forced to do so by any "liberal" Pro-Choice person. We are not interested in imposing how we would personally address these issues on anyone else.

In order to get in touch with how this feels for women, try to imagine the outcry from the 2nd Amendment supporters, if the leadership of this country decided to repeal that. (I know it won't happen, but try to imagine that for a moment.)

Last I heard, women don't get prostate cancer, and men are allowed to have time off from work to take care of their unique medical problems. Most women continue to do their job, without preferential treatment until they are no longer medically able to do so. Men are also allowed to take time off (FMLA) from work when their wife/partner has their baby.

Romney/Ryan/the Republican Party has been and continues to be controlled by the Tea Party. Which liberal/not liberal Romney are you referring to? He had to pretend to be liberal to get elected in MA. For a while he pretended to be an "extremely conservative" Republican to get nominated as the Republican candidate for president. Now, he has to move back toward the middle to appear less conservative in order to be accepted by the general public. My opinion is that he has no core beliefs or positions, and will be manipulated by the "extremely conservative" base of the Republican Party if he is elected.

Riskkbreaker

You say that you would never force anyone to have an abortion, but..that is the very door you are opening up.
In China, where they can force you to have an abortion, the fetus is not legally defined as a "person," either..and can be destroyed, by the govt, for economic convenience.
The Heartbeat Bill still allows abortion, for any reason whatsoever, up to 8 weeks. The Personhood amendment can still co-exist with that. You should consider this, imo.

Note definition #1 and #3. It is what one has to do when trying to cover up their past, and the subtlety of what they are doing now.
http://dictionary.reference.com/...

meowmix

Oh for crying out loud--why must you neo-cons always have to take everything up to the next "what if" level? As in the argument of gay marriage--next thing you do is spew the be able to marry your dog nonsense. Obamacare was upped to "death panels". You operate by preying on fear of those that are stupid enough to actually believe it.

Riskkbreaker

Again, Personhood rights AND Abortion can co-exist. You can grant the unborn personhood without allowing their health to trump the mother's health. How do you feel about that? No jumping to the next "what if."

I am merely saying that I think real American women would not want to be responsible for making it official..that the unborn are "not people." To stand up for the victims in China (who are forced TO HAVE an abortion), if nothing else.

I think you have me all wrong. As far as gay marriage..my solution is that everyone, including heteros, should be called "domestic partnership" in the eyes of the govt for their legal contract purposes. This way, they can give everyone the same benefits without starting an ideological war about it.

Riskkbreaker

As to Obamacare, it does create a panel of 15 unelected officials which could very well end up rationing care (seeing as how their primary job is to cut costs).
Even Biden changed the subject without actually denying it (in the debate with Ryan where he tried to ridicule it by mentioning that "I heard that same thing from Sarah Palin," yet he immediately changed the subject).

Also, you might want to look to the U.K. where it is already happening
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/...
130,000 elderly patients (per year) are euthanized in their end-of-life care program..read up on the doctors who give misleading advice to convince families to euthanize their grandparents, in the name of economic convenience.

reese

Well,Risk, it seems that you want to stir up hysterical ideas about abortion (i.e., it will lead to forced abortion). Abortion has been legal in the U.S. since 1973, almost thirty years, and in some states it has been legal for longer. Nothing of the sort has happened. Those of us who believe in Pro-choice, believe in just that. It should be individual choice, not forced. Don't you suppose we would fight against any attempt to force abortions on people???

Riskkbreaker

I am not saying that it WOULD lead to it..I am saying that you are setting the legal precedent for it..and I can't undestand why you would do that,in the face of potential economic collapse.

With the Republican position, there are two levels of protection..both the Mother's wishes AND the unborn child being considered a person.
With the Democrat position..it is only the Mother's wishes that matter and, being deemed incapable to afford raising a child, the legal precedent is set to deny her the right to delivery of the child (like they do in China).

It is not just about the legal precedent either..it is about the paradigm that you have set into the minds of so many young women (the "clump of cells" label being the worst part). Remember that.

Riskkbreaker

Reese, where does anyone make contraception illegal in the Republican platform?
Reese, exactly how does Romney "take us back to the 50's?"
Reese, how did you conclude that Romney is insulting women just because he noted that he did some nice things for women at his office to prove that he does care about them? He would have never even had to say these things if the Obama camp wasn't running rampant with demagogues trying to spout the same rhetoric that you are now doing.

I think that it is just difficult for alot of people to see a different way to reach those same goals because they have been force-fed the Left Wing paradigm for too many decades now.

Note definition #1 and #3. It is what one has to do when trying to cover up their past, and the subtlety of what they are doing now.
http://dictionary.reference.com/...

reese

Risk,

It is in the Human Life Amendment/Personhood Amendment supported in the Repub. Platform that gives a fertilized egg all the rights of a United States citizen, which would mean that any woman who caused the death of a fertilized egg would be a criminal. Many forms of birth control accomplish this.
If Romney is elected, with his sidekick, Ryan, they will overturn Roe v. Wade and make women criminals who use hormonal forms of birth control and IUD's. He has publicly stated in interviews that he would support a Personhood Amendment.
He does not support equal pay for equal work. He thinks that women need to be accommodated, because they need to get home to cook dinner. When he was elected to the Governor of MA. in his 50's, he didn't know any women who had the creditials to hold a Cabinet position in his administration.

These are issues that are important to women.

Riskkbreaker

He was merely making a statement of his personal wishes. It is not even realistic to think that women will be allowed to leave work to cook dinner. C'mon. Just think about it for a minute.
Nevertheless, tho..you have a problem with being allowed to re-arrange your work schedule to cook for your kids? Why does this not exactly shock me?

Anyway, you are completely misrepresenting the Personhood amendment. It merely sets a principle, not any policy.
And Ryan has made clear that the Romney administration supports abortion in the cases of rape, incest, and the health of the mother. IF they did anything about it (highly doubtful), it would probably be the Heartbeat Bill, rather than the Personhood amendment.

However, even the Personhood amendment states that the fetus' health does not trump the mother's health. It seems like you are reading propaganda.

I give up, tho. People are too far gone. It reminds me of the end of that movie "Carriers." He says "How did we get here?" His brother replies, "I dunno." Then he says to his brother, "You know...you knooow. We both know."

reese

Risk,

I am sorry you do not get this. The problem with what he said is that he asserted that employers have to be more flexible with "women", because they have to get home to cook dinner. It is an old stereotype of the roles of women. Flexibility in the workplace should be thought of as a benefit for both men and women, if it is going to be discussed and accommodations are going to be considered and should not be based on old-fashioned stereotypes.

I am not misrespresenting the proposed Personhood Amendment. Google it. It would change the constitution (constitutional amendment)to say that a single cell, a fertilized egg would be recognized as a person, therefore having all the rights that any other citizen would have. Any attempt to destroy that egg would be murder. It is in the Republican Party Platform and is supported by the Right to Life organizations, and those are the websites where I have researched this information. This goes far beyond any Heartbeat bill. Single cell humans do not have a heartbeat.

Ryan supports the Personhood Amendment. Romney has taken positions on abortion, right to life and Roe v. Wade that are all over the board...depends on whether or not he thinks the position will get him elected. He is a man without principles, therefore, a man who cannot be trusted.

"Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney (R) told Fox News host Mike Huckabee this weekend that he would support an amendment to his state’s constitution to define life as beginning at conception, which would outlaw abortion and potentially many forms of contraception as well. Noting that the state supreme court forced the inclusion of abortion coverage in Romney’s universal health care law, the GOP presidential front-runner said the only way to undo the decision would be a constitutional amendment. Asked if he would support such a move, Romney replied, “absolutely”:

HUCKABEE: Would you have supported a constitutional amendment that would have established definition of life beginning of life at conception?

ROMNEY: Absolutely."
http://thinkprogress.org/justice...

Riskkbreaker

I recall Romney saying it as an "I feel that it SHOULD be that way" type of thing, not an "I will make it law" type of way. "That way," meaning that IF a woman needs to go home to take care of her kids, THEN she SHOULD be allowed to, in situations where it is reasonable to ALLOW her (the option) to.

And, again..I doubt it is realistic to even consider implementing such an idea. He is saying this in response to people who characterize him as a womanizer. In his mind, saying those things are his way of showing how he feels for the concerns of women.
You are taking it too far, assuming that he feels that ALL women should have kids instead of having a job. Waaay out of context.

And as for the personhood ammendment, for the last time..it, by itself, does not set policy..just a principle. And it says that the health of the fetus would not trump the health of the mother, in any case.
Anyone who claims that it automatically overrides any existing laws, is merely telling you what they HOPE it would do..or, in the case of those against it, what they want people to THINK it automatically does..(not because it will, but because they do not want to face any future debate whether, at all, on whether or not it should override those laws).

reese

Risk, I am sorry. I am just going to have to give up on you understanding any of this.

But, just one last thing...this is simple...a change in our U.S. Constitution (i.e., a constitutional AMENDMENT) overrides any other existing laws that pertain to the subject matter addressed in that change in our Constitution.

Riskkbreaker

So you are basically saying that you think they would ban contracepton and unleash an epidemic of STD's on America? Who is stirring up hysterical ideas now?

eriemom

Actually cardiac cells, even a single cell, beats. Clumps of cardiac cells taken out of an animal will continue to beat until ATP is depleted. Kind of nullifies the entire premise of Hartbeat legislation.

ramrod84

Comparing receiving student loans, which are paid back and then some, to go to college and try to become a productive member of society to receiving contraception, because you can't exhibit personal responsibility, paid for by others.

Wow, what an accurate comparison. If you think that makes sense there's no point in continuing this.

reese

The consequences of not providing contraception leads to a future tax payer cost that far exceeds the cost of contraception.

Riskkbreaker

The only way that taxpayers NOT paying for other peoples' contraception could ever far outweigh the cost of paying for them...is if we keep letting the Left Wing act as an enabling force, to run us into the ground, both economically and socially. (Don't get me started on how the Dems have held control of Congress for most of the last century, as well as enjoying the benefit of the schools and Hollywood overwhelmingly pushing their views on us).

All of these Left Wing policies crushing us with debt and you want us to pay for your condoms, too? Please, just stop.

reese

Risk, I stand by my statement that paying for contraception is much cheaper than paying for unwanted children or children whose parent can't afford to support them. I want everyone to have access to contraception, including those who can't afford it. This isn't about me. I can afford contraception.

Riskkbreaker

I disagree that it will help, because most people do not want to use contraception. I feel that it will be mostly wasted money for the taxpayer. The Health Dept. already offers free condoms..at least, I think they still do.
I WOULD support handing out free contraception ONLY if they regulate Abortion so that it is only allowed in the cases of rape (which we will eventually eliminate from society) and in cases of the physical health of the mother.

So, in effect, we would be giving out free protection, and saying that Abortion is NOT contraception..so be careful and responsible, and use the free protection that is available.

reese

Risk,

Where did you come up with "most people do not want to use contraception"? 99% of women and 98% of Catholic women have used birth control. 69% of sexually active women and 68% of sexually active Catholic women, use a highly effective method of birth control(i.e., sterilization, the pill or another hormonal method, or the IUD).

http://www.guttmacher.org/media/...

We are really not talking about handing out free condoms or other forms of contraception. The issue is whether insurance companies should be required to include this in the preventative care package without a co-pay that is part of the insurance that people pay for or that companies contribute to or that is included in Medicaid.

I believe that condoms and other OTC methods of birth control would not be included in this, because you don't use your insurance to pay for these items. And, as far as I know, you do have to pay a nominal fee to get condoms from the Health Dept., at least that was the way it was when I used to work with disadvantaged older teens...they had to pay a couple of bucks to get a bag of 12 condoms.

44846GWP

Why would any woman vote for Romney?

reese

I sure can't figure that one out.

Riskkbreaker

Maybe they see thru the mischaracterizations.
Maybe they know that the equal pay act is just a "Paycheck for Lawyers Act" which our President, who is a lawyer (allegedly), is trying to spin into a "war on women" issue.
Maybe they know we already have plenty of laws that prohibit gender disrimination in the workplace, and they do not want to burden the economy any further with rhetorical Acts which change nothing, except forcing employers to waste more money on Lawyers instead of expanding their business to hire more people.

Centauri

http://www.washingtonpost.com/po...

Romney was a bully in high school. He assaulted a kid in high school who would not conform to the elite ways of Romney. People don't really change much from their high school days. Romney is not for the middle class and neither is Obama. My vote goes to Gary Johnson.

coasterfan

Just when you think Mitt cannot possibly be more out of touch with Middle Class America. Isn't it stunning how every few days, he finds himself having to explain the latest new, stupid thing that he said? With Mitt, it's not "Open Mouth, Insert Foot". It's "Open Mouth, Switch Feet". It's humorous watching him try to relate to everyday Americans - could he POSSIBLY look any more fake than he does in those moments when he tries to get us to believe that he actually cares about Middle Class Americans? What a stiff shirt...

Riskkbreaker

Says the person who doesn't even focus on the true implications of what the candidates are saying, let alone studying their kinesics.

Riskkbreaker

Here is some food for thought (and I do tie this in to the topic, btw).
Say Obama gets re-elected. Say, also, that the dollar crashes and we end up having to replace Capitalism with Marxism or something similar (which probably will not happen, since a Corporatist state would most likely move into power..but for argument's sake). Then what?

You would still have BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa) who are some of the fastest growing economies in the world...and who are all Capitalist countries now..calling, as they are now, for a new Reserve Currency to replace the Dollar..and here we, Americans, sit..collapsed.

What if it gets even worse (and possibly even before any potential collapse even occurs)?..What if all of these rich people that we are "moving forward" against..decide to leave to one of those Capitalist countries in the BRICS organization. Russian chicks are pretty hot, ya know.
Where would that leave US, tho? Think about whose mercy we would then be at. And you want to risk all of that based on these blatantly false MIScharacterizations of Republican views that are relevant to women? Maybe we should leave the Left Wing demagogues' rhetoric at the door and get down to business.

It would appear, to some, that not only are some of these Left Wingers anti-American..they are suicidal as well. I would submit, however, that maybe they are just overwhelmed with soundbytes racing back and forth thru their heads..and have been fed the Left Wing paradigm for too many decades now, leaving them unable to see another way to reach the same goals.

Note definition #1 and #3. It is what one has to do when trying to cover up their past, and the subtlety of what they are doing now.
http://dictionary.reference.com/...

Swamp Fox

Obama’s female debate coach complained about “hostile workplace” at The White House

“Coverage in the Washington Post and a new book by Ron Suskind has focused attention on the frustration of Obama’s female advisers. But the problem has been obvious almost since Obama took office. And while the explanations so far have blamed members of the mostly-departed boys club–Robert Gibbs, Rahm Emanuel–Obama himself is responsible for a work atmosphere that marginalizes and ignores women,” wrote Time.

And Obama’s own staff is mostly made up of males, who, as the Washington Free Beacon reported, get paid more than their female counterparts".

Swamp Fox

Centarui, "Romney was a bully in high school." now we are bringing up school days? That's like me asking why Obama's mother listed his religion on a school admissions form as a muslin or how he qualified for a Furbright scholarship that is limited to "foreign" born students. Your other gem "People don't really change much from their high school days." Really does anyone on either side of the poltical debate agree with that? I think we should limit the discussion on the present but just saying if it good for one candidate's student years to be important, its good for both.

OSUBuckeye59

If the GOP maintains a majority in the House, and the Democrats maintain a majority in the Senate, in many respects it almost doesn't matter who gets elected President. The rancor and partisanship is at a level where a GOP-controlled House and a Democrat-controlled Senate will set up the next President to be constantly battling the opposition party in attempting to get his policies enacted. As David Brooks, a conservative columnist for the New York Times so aptly put it in his October 15th op-ed column (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/1...), ",,,primary campaigns are won by the candidate who can most convincingly champion the party’s agenda, but general election campaigns are won by the candidate who can most plausibly fix the political system."

Unfortunately for Obama, the GOP said at the start of his term they would refuse to compromise with him in any way. To be fair, even though I voted for Obama, I'm not impressed with what he's done in his first term. Other than ramming through the Affordable Care Act, he's pretty much kept GW Bush's policies in place. But still, we elect people to represent our best interests and move our country forward. Obama hasn't lived up to that promise, but the GOP-controlled house is right there with him. And given the fight the Democrats have brought to this presidential election, should Romney win and should the Democrats maintain control of the Senate, I fear the Senate will take a stance of "It's payback time, baby!" when it comes to anything Romney wants to do.

I'm worried the next 4 years will be worse than the current administration's, if that's even possible.

mikel

well said. when neither side is willing to give an inch there will be problems!

KURTje

Nothing to see here. Just VOTE.

Riskkbreaker

Nothing to see here? Strange..I thought there was a pretty productive debate going on in the comment section of this article.
Just vote and not discuss it, huh? I see. Why does this not surprise me, either?

OSUBuckeye59

@kURTje,

Have to disagree. Some of the dialogue and debate has been interesting and informative.

LadyC

Just a couple things--Birth control pills are also used as hormone treatments in many disorders that women may have, like endometriosis and abnormal cycles, etc. Is that anyone's business? No. Are contraceptive/hormones medical treatments for medical conditions? Yes. And another thing--many insurance companies prior to "Obamacare" (actually The Affordable Care Act) did not cover screening for cancers and conditions that only women would have. And if God forbid, they previously had one of these conditions, they could be turned down for insurance. I think these are all important things to consider, since Romney wants to take away the Affordable Care Act. And it really is becoming sickening to hear people blab about "my tax dollars" paying for blah blah blah. Federal income taxes for the low and middle income folks are at an all-time low under Obama. They won't be for long if Romney gets in. He has contradicted himself so many times that it is just impossible to believe he is anything but self-serving.

mikel

federal income taxes are at an all time low because less people are working. also, just wondering how the lowering of tax collection of monies that go to social security is working out?? lmao..social security on the faster track to financial he!! thanks to that

LadyC

True, S.S. probably took a hit because of it, I believe it was 2% lower. However, a few other things to consider: The ceiling could be raised (I think it is now at around $110,000 when they stop taking it out of wages),minimum wage raised (more will be paid in), and let these corporations that outsource all the jobs pay 6.2% ( and 1.45% for Medicare) per foreign worker, into OUR system, or bring the jobs back. And another thing, Mitt and friends with solely investment income, aren't paying into it either!

KURTje

From all discourse previously (weeks)it is pretty clear most have their minds made up, hence my comment. VOTE.

goofus

Isn't it funny that the whole start of this Romney hates women fallacy started with DNC lies and spins and Sandra Fluke versus Rush Limbaugh. How ironic is the fact that Sandra Fluke drew 10 people to a Reno Nevada campaign stop. Rush Limbaugh probably had over a million listening to his Friday radio show!!!!

mikel

hmmm...this can't be true that prezo is actually taking illegal campaign contributions and the democrap party is not all over it??

"The Obama re-election campaign has accepted at least one foreign donation in violation of the law — and does nothing to check on the provenance of millions of dollars in other contributions, a watchdog group alleges.

Chris Walker, a British citizen who lives outside London, told The Post he was able to make two $5 donations to President Obama’s campaign this month through its Web site while a similar attempt to give Mitt Romney cash was rejected. It is illegal to knowingly solicit or accept money from foreign citizens."

thanks to the romney campaign for being honest enough to reject these illegal contributions!!

reese

Mikel,

This is an allegation. Where is your link to support this allegation?

The Big Dog's back

reese, you have to remember the Repubs are looking for some kind of scandal to pin on Obama. That's because bush and cheney and rmoney have so many REAL scandals to cover up.

mikel

for goodness sakes do i have to do all of the work? you have plenty of time for other searches. but anyways, go to ny post and it will be in there.

reese

Yeah, Big Dog, I know. They just shiver with excitement when they think they have finally found something.

coasterfan

All of the attempts by Romney-supporters to deflect their candidate's obvious misogynistic leanings, are as weak as Romney's claims that he supports women. The only thing more silly, of course, is his contention that he supports the middle class. It's amazing that some people actually believe him, since the ONLY thing he has proven during the campaign is that he will continually change his stance on every possible issue, depending on whom he is speaking with.

freethinker1

Pick any campaign issue that is even remotely related to women's rights. Republicans and Romney oppose every single issue that would make things better for women. From cutting funding to Planned Parenthood, to opposing the Lily Ledbetter (equal pay) act, vaginal probes, opposing abortion even in cases of rape and incest, not to mention the silly discussion on "legitimate rape", there couldn't POSSIBLY be a more anti-woman platform than the ultra-conservative Republican platform of 2012.

The only surprise is that only about 60% of women vote Democrat. The other 40% apparently are stuck in the 1950's "Father Knows Best" mindset. I'm proud to say that the women I hang around with actually think for themselves...

reese

Freethinker,
I am totally amazed about the 40%. Can't figure out who they are listening to. Maybe they just want their Barbie and Ken dolls to lead us. I actually do not know any women who are for Romney, at least not any that will admit it.

Riskkbreaker

Can I ask a serious question?
Who among you actually believes the ridiculous claims by Democrats that Republicans want to ban contraception??

It is one thing to want to regulate Abortion (so that it is only an option in cases of rape and for the physical health of the mother). It is quite another thing, altogether, for Democrats to make the ridiculous claim that Republicans would also want to ban contraceptives...like they want an epidemic of STD's or something.
Get. Real. Demagogues.

Riskkbreaker

Republicans don't want to ban contraception. That would cause an epidemic of STD's. Obama campaign is really insulting our intelligence on that one.

Republicans do not oppose equal pay for women. The "Fair Pay Act of 2009" does nothing to change existing laws that we already have which prohibit gender-based discrimination in the workplace.
The only thing the Act does is make it easier, and more frequently occuring, for business owners to have frivolous lawsuits filed against them.
Our Lawyer-in-Chief, Obama (allegedly a Lawyer), just wants you to think it does something other than what it really does..which is kill more jobs while lining the pockets of Lawyers with the money that could've been spent on hiring you.

eriemom

First, I need to correct your statement that contraceptive use protects against STDs. There is only one form of contraceptive that can protect against STDs and men use it.

Second, I want to correct your statement about republicans dropping abortion, "like a hot potato" after being elected. At the state level there have been many laws adopted such as the Heartbeat Law. During the republican primary election Mr. Romney stated that he would sign legislation that banned abortion "happily" if sent to him. Mr. Ryan made many statements about forms of birth control that abort embryos. Both made statements about the kind of Supreme Court judges that they would select. You need to understand that some types of contraception, such as the Pill and IUDs, do cause abortion if you believe that a fertilized egg is a person. They stop fertilized eggs from implantation.

Third, I would like to correct your statement about gender-based frivolous lawsuits. These are not frivolous to the women who are paid less then men in the work place. If you ask women you will learn that this is common.

reese

Eriemom,

Thanks for your clear explanation.

There are very serious ramifications for life/economic issues for women if the Republican gain enough power to actually adopt their more extreme agenda. Because many men depend on women to take care of birth control and to help support their children, the impact of this agenda trickles down to them as well.

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BushelBob

Tired of the power elite's duopoly? WOMEN ARE! Women organized the LIBERTARIAN PARTY OF OHIO back in 1972 - which is the 3rd largest party in America and Ohio for the past 40 years. Kay Haroff, Pamela Wiebe, and other Cleveland-area women formed the LPO to give voters a choice between Tweedledum and Tweedledummer.

Are you tired of the power elite and their two-sides-of-the-same-coin one-party system? Were you upset when the corporatist media IGNORED the black WOMAN who ran for president in 2008? They gave all kinds of attention to the MALE candidate Obama because as Senator he voted the way Bush wanted 90% of the time, same as McCain. The power elite knew both Senators could be relied upon to carry on with their wars and sending jobs to China. But CYNTHIA MCKINNEY voted AGAINST BUSH when she was in Congress, and for that she was ignored.

WOMEN have provided an ALTERNATIVE. Vote LIBERTARIAN. Vote Gary Johnson for President.

rickross2

lol

eriemom

+1

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