Perkins schools borrow $3.6M for building project

Perkins Schools is taking out a $3.6 million loan from Citizens Bank to move ahead with plans for a new school for grades 7-12.
Tom Jackson
Oct 16, 2012

 

The new building will sit near the existing high school.

The lease-purchase agreement, which uses school buildings for collateral, is a common vehicle for school finance in Ohio. It provides the school district with cash flow to let it move forward with its building plans, district superintendent Jim Gunner said.

The interest rate on the five-year loan is 2.79 percent, with no penalty for early repayment, said Lisa Crescimano, Perkins Schools treasurer.

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Comments

tradition

I'm confused. A couple of years back they wanted a bond issue passed so that they could get matching funds from the State. Now, they have the ability to come up with $30-40 million in the next few years without the State's help? But, they need operations money to run the schools? The math escapes me. Maybe it's that new math!!

Licorice Schtick

Close four schools in Sandusky, build new one a few miles away in Perkins. Whatta waste.

donutshopguy

The school board move money from outside millage to inside millage to support this building project. It was well within their legal responsibility to make this change and it happened months, if not a year, ago.

The only catch is that those operating funds must be replaced. Thus, taxpayers should expect a new operating levy on an upcoming ballot.

The school is going to be built whether the new operating funds are approved or not.

Perkins2060

That levy will fail big time! We need to replace this existing school board with those that will get rid of Gunner and all of his paid consultants with him! We voted NO on the new school and these people have the nerve to go against our vote and do it anyway???

juggalo7

i agree big time. I'm a high school grad from Perkins and the school was in bad shape.. Just redo the buildings. If they are going to redo the gym floor in the high school so many times, whats the point of building a new school?

donutshopguy

Perkins2060,

The school board found a way to build the school, within their scope of authority, without a vote by the general public. I'm not sure I agree with the process but it was legal.

samiam

Just because it's legal doesn't make it right. The voters said NO at least 2 times. That makes it a tax that we don't get to vote on. The BOE has basically thumbed their noses at the voters saying they don't care what the voters want and that the board knows better than the voters. I vote NO on any new school levy. Tell Gunner "You're FIRED!"

Lil DAB

Doesn't take Einstein to look at all the surrounding communities and the financial trouble they are in after tearing down old schools and building new ones! Every election the school administration uses their employees and our kids to "grief" us to pass a levy. We are fed up. No means no. They don't listen. The answer always seems to be to TAX us more. Throwing money at problems doesn't make them go away!
http://voteno43410.webs.com/

myname

I won't vote yes on any school levy as long as there is open enrollment.

real talk

open enrollment brings more money into the schools.

Perkins2060

The money brought in from open enrollment doesn't cover what it costs to educate these out of district kids. We taxpayers in Perkins are making up the difference of what it costs to educate these kids from other districts. Levy will fail.

tradition

It seems that those in power at Perkins can do anything they want without voter approval. They were short on the money to build the new stadium so they used $1.3 million from school funds to make that happen. Now they really want that new building, so one way or another they are going to get it. Maybe, it's all that money that they are making off the Sandusky kids that go to Perkins!

myname

This is not fair to the residents of Sandusky who have to keep putting levy's on their ballots to make up for the budget shortfall that Perkins is causing. I live in Perkins, but feel sorry for those in Sandusky that are paying for their kids to go to Perkins. It's not fair for boths sides of Perkins Ave.

Kelly

How is it not fair to Sandusky? You do realize that Sandusky ALSO has open enrollment, right? So, it's ok for them to allow students from other districts but Perkins shouldn't be allowed to do it?

sue3251958

Sandusky only started open enrollment after Perkins. Open enrollment is wrong, it is using children for the money they generate. Pass a levy and generate the funds needed to run Perkins Schools. Perkins doesn't care about their open enrollment students, just the money they generate.

Kelly

Sandusky had open enrollment first

donutshopguy

tradition,

I believe the school loaned the booster club some money. I believe a large portion of the private donations made to build the stadium facility are to be paid over a five year period. The booster club borrowed the money from the school rather than a bank.

Perkins2060

Donutshop: do you know how many paid consultants Gunner has and who they are and how much we are paying them? I'm curious.

donutshopguy

Perkins2060,

Nope. Worked with the stadium committee to build the facility. Also, met with Mr. Gunner when the issue of moving millage was first discussed to understand the process and situation.

Erie Countian

I really do think a new high school is needed...it's BAD, but it seems to me Briar Middle School could just be updated. Although I'm kind of glad a new high school is in the works, I feel Supt. Gunner has lost the community's trust with this juggling act he is doing with the money. I doubt a levy will ever pass until he is gone. He doesn't even reside here, which is disgusting. He lied and said he and his family would be moving to Perkins way back when he took the job here. That never happened. He seems like a crooked, conniving type of person.

Erie Countian

I really do think a new high school is needed...it's BAD, but it seems to me Briar Middle School could just be updated. Although I'm kind of glad a new high school is in the works, I feel Supt. Gunner has lost the community's trust with this juggling act he is doing with the money. I doubt a levy will ever pass until he is gone. He doesn't even reside here, which is disgusting. He lied and said he and his family would be moving to Perkins way back when he took the job here. That never happened. He seems like a crooked, conniving type of person.

Erie Countian

sorry for the double post

Perkins2060

Gunner is holding the district back.

underthebridge

Oh no Perkins2060, the BOE thinks Gunner is a visionary. Just ask him.

Perkins Resident

My wife and I will be voting no on the levy.

reese

This is just plain and simple the wrong way to treat the taxpayers of Perkins. This is our school district, not Gunner's. The school board needs to fire Gunner or we need to fire the school board. All the Perkins Athletic Boosters probably are happy with Gunner and the board for helping them out with the stadium, but wait til the Levy they are planning fails and Gunner starts cutting sports, transportation and extra-curricular activities to pressure the public to pass a levy! He needs to go!!!

HoMeMaKeR2005

I just wanna say that my daughter attends Perkins schools on open enrollment. we live in Sandusky . I am a Perkins graduate, went there all my life. just because I live in Sandusky I do not look at my child as a Sandusky school district student, because she deserves more than what Sandusky city schools offer. I look at her as a Perkins student and would love her to continue to be one , even if that means I'm not moving back to Perkins for awhile due to finances. I think she receives a great education as we all did, and her father and I don't want to subject her to Sandusky schools. the hole open enrollment thing I agree with, it gives parents the option to give there children the education they want for there children . however, I do not agree with this new school,never have. I do not feel that seventh graders should be in with older kids or be involved in what the frosh-seniors wait so long for and work hard to get to. and 3.6 mill and going against the voters that pay taxes in Perkins township? total disrespect!

sue3251958

Why not move to Perkins and pay your share of taxes!

lifetimeresident

I thought the vote was NO for a new school. How is this happening and why.

moonbeam

If I remember correctly if Perkins operating monies go below the 20 mill floor aren' t taxes automatically assessed whether a levy passes or fails? I feel bad for you guys because it isn't fair not to have a say how monies are spent in your school system. Open enrollment also isn' t fair. I will be voting for the Sandusky levy because our school system has been as fiscally responsible as they could be with losing so many students. I was one of those people who said they wouldn' t approve a levy because of open enrollment but times have changed.

nofufucat

The main argument I've heard for building a new building is it's old and falling apart. Sandusky High School was built in the mid 50's (long before Perkins High School was built) and appears to be going along just great. True it has had a little remodeling since it was built but somehow it does just fine. Why not our high school?

God Of Thunder

I wish I could find the article and commenys from a few months ago when I predicted that this was going to happen, then maybe people wouldn't be as shocked..
This board and superintendent is no better than the politicians that we have at state and federal levels...They are all crooked and do not look out for the people thye represent...
I know my vote for any future levies in the near and far future..
Albeit, what they did, with the millage, is a legal loophole, they knew it was wrong to do that with the public's feelings..
Just sickens me..

Perkins2060

When is the current school board's term up? We need to vote these people out!

moonbeam

In reply to the Sandusky mother sending her child to Perkins...A student at Sandusky can receive an excellent education as long as the child wants it and has a normal upbringing same as Perkins.There are good and problem children in both school systems, I'm sure

Curley

The trouble is when a Perkins student gets into trouble you do not hear about it. As soon as a Sandusky student gets into trouble it is plastered all over the Sandusky Register. Both Sandusky and Perkins have their problem children, it's just a fact like I said if it's a Sandusky student it is all over the Sandusky Register and if it's a Perkins student it is all hushed up

donutshopguy

If the public is so against this happening then someone better start a recall on the whole board. You voted them in. You can recall them and vote them out.

Then you will need the new board to rescind the millage switch.

It's that simple but it won't happen because people are lazy and won't put forth the effort. All talk and no action.

Perkins2060

I'll admit, that's more than I would do. I will just vote NO on every levy these clowns throw at us and I will do my best to make sure everyone I talk to sees it my way.

underthebridge

Can someone explain why the BOE and the school district didn't just ask for a straightforward levy for construction? Other districts in the area have done it.

Perkins2060

They did and we said NO! So now they are pulling this.

samiam

That's correct. Voters said NO twice to a levy to build new schools. So the board turned around and moved inside millage from operating funds to construction funds. Inside millage is not voted on. The state allows a certain amount of inside millage to schools to provide a minimum of operating funds. For the board to go against the wishes of the voters is insulting, arrogant and unethical.

Pirate Mom

I wish I saw all of you commenters at the BOE meetings, held the second Wednesday of each month at PHS at 6 p.m. This matter has been addressed month after month with time at the end of each meeting for comments from the audience. The superintendent has explained this issue ad nauseam with visuals to support his words. The school board, whom voters have chosen, support these moves. Dr. Gunner cannot make these decisions without their support. If Sandusky High was built in the 1950s, PHS is most definitely older and falling apart. Visit the building and see for yourself, before or after you attend the BOE meetings. Whether you support the new building project or not, educate yourself on the safety of our children's surroundings. You don't need a contractor's license or even a keen eye. Lastly, get out and vote on November 6. It is your right but also your duty.

underthebridge

And yet, nearly 60% of the voting public said NO! Go figure!

underthebridge

By the way, we went to the meetings. I don't doubt that the facilities are in need of improvements. I just question this method of funding.

Perkins2060

I find it interesting that you said the school board, whom voters have chosen support these moves, but you fail to mention the same school board, whom put a levy on the ballot to build a new school were told no by the voters.

Tmm

quick question. what's the point of a 3.6 million dollar loan when a new 7-12 facility will cost in excess of $30 million? What specifically is this initial $3.6 million for?

HoMeMaKeR2005

Oh I know there are problem children in both school systems don't get me wrong. every district has its problems, but education wise, I believe Perkins has a stronger curriculum. my nephew attends Sandusky schools and is a straight A student. he a grade ahead of my child and is just now learning things that she learned last year. when my niece transferred from Sandusky to Perkins in middle school , she was academically two years behind learning wise, and struggled once she entered Perkins as she found it hard. nothing against Sandusky as I kno of some very intelligent children that attend that school , but I'm comfortable with Perkins as my family all attended/ graduated from there and feel they offer my daughter more educational and extracurricular activities. So yes I'm sorry for the residents in Perkins that disagree, but I'm all for open enrollment as long as the children are benefiting from it. :)

HoMeMaKeR2005

But nope I'm not gonna stand behind them with this new school idea, that the taxpayer's voted no on more than one occasion! I may not live in the township, so I do not have to pay the township tax, but in my eyes its betraying the taxpayer's and basically making it loud and clear they will do as they please.. pretty sickening. I remember when there was this thing called respect in this town and u do not bite the hands that feed you, looks like that has been thrown out the town awhile ago... :(

booster

Homemaker, I find it very hard to take your comments about education serious given your extremely poor use of grammar, spelling and punctuation.

HoMeMaKeR2005

nice job booster at being a grammar troll lol I for once graduated with straight A's, I use a smart phone, I'm not writing a paper, no need for perfection. :)

lifetimeresident

Maybe the 3.6 million is for someone to design the new school?

Tmm

Nice...should have been a new school designer then.

EZOB

I went to several of the meetings. It was somewhat difficult to ingest the information as it didn't come across as clear as they could have presented it. Around 6500 school districts in Ohio. This is the "Second" time this method was approved by a school board mainly because it leaves a "Bad Taste" with taxpayers. I didn't see Schuster's name mentioned but He and Gunner were adamant this was the way to go. Here is how we stand, You want an analogy? It's like O'Bama Care, it got rammed down our throats and we are going to pay, Oh Yes, we are going to pay, levy or no levy Perkins Taxpayers are forced to foot the Bill. You can Voluntarily pay by passing the levy or have it put on your property taxes.
Fact: If they build the school someone has to pay for it. Common Sense and the way I understood the Method presented tells me in the end, We Pay. They will not put this on the November ballot because they know it would fail that's why they'll try the Old May routine. Please help Me to understand this more if you have information.

EZOB

Remember the 24 hour facility with the swimming pool open to the public? YMCA like facility with all the equipment? Is this included?

moonbeam

Make no mistake, we are all paying to have that school built no matter where in the area you live. If you own a home in Sandusky you have a levy in front of you to replace state monies that left with students.Property values have dropped so much, it would be awful to lalso say the school system could fall into fiscal emergency. Renters will have their rent raised disguised as something else because it illegal for landlords to say "I'm raising the rent because a levy passed" We are all paying for it in one way or another.

God Of Thunder

Thanks a lot school board, for dividing this community, just like the Huron community is, over their Superintendent.. Those nitwits decided to stir the community up, just like you nitwits..
Hate to say it, but I'm pretty sure you lost a lot of support from a good majority of the community

luvblues2

From what I understand, Bellevue did the same thing. They got a levy passed for upkeep on the schools. Then turned a 180 and decided to tear down the old schools and build two new ones. The two new schools were meant to be on one property in which there was much room for both. They instead decided to build one on that land and buy a rich farmer's swamp land and upgrade it to build the new Elementary School. Those people in Bellevue got screwed by the same loopholes that Perkins is getting screwed by. The real problem lies within the state's unconstitutional ways of paying for education. Now Bellevue has to pay for busing because kids can't walk locally anymore. Good luck Perkins and Bellevue!

Bellevue Dad

Don't know where you got your facts from on Bellevue situation but what actually happened was that the residents voted to build two new schools to replace both three elementary schools and the middle school. All four buildings being replaced were beyond repair and were costing the district way too much money in maintenance costs. The voters in the district approved the measure and the state provided their share of the money for the project. The Junior High has been built on the sight of the old Shumaker Elementary school as always planned. Yes, the new elementary school was built on a different site but by using the new site, the district saved about $6 million dollars on the project which saves money for the residents of Bellevue. We are fortunate to have a school board and a superintendent in Bellevue that looks out for our money here in Bellevue. Don't know about Perkins.

luvblues2

I know quite a few people in the Bellevue District that attended the meetings and say the opposite of what you say, Bellevue Dad. Perhaps you can correct me with facts so I shant be mislead any longer.

FearistheMindKiller

It's always the same trolls who get on this website and bitterly complain about the Perkins schools. You people are like the same old broken record over and over and over.

How many of you are active in the school community? How many of you attended meetings and offered real alternative solutions? Or do you just get off on consistently complaining because it makes you feel superior?

Do any of you ever attend school events? Have you bothered to enjoy the tremendous new athletic facility? Do you go to the awesome band concerts? Do you know how well Perkins students do in academic challenges? Do you even have the slightest clue what kind of curriculum is in place at our schools?

Our federal government wastes billions of dollars annually on grossly foul war mongering, but none of you apparently care about that. One Predator drone alone costs over $4.5 million, along with with support and infrastructure the cost is well quadrupled. Dozens and dozens of these things are dispatched all the time and costs us billions. What a waste! Many other examples can be given for our nations zealous out of control spending on the killing of human beings. Please don't bother replying with your nationalistic jingoism, that rhetoric is wasteful as well.

But you all have the nerve to arm chair quarterback what elected and appointed officials are trying to do in order to HELP make our community a better place?

Try directing your energy into something positive for your community for a change. Get off computer and do something that is worthwhile for the development and growth of our children and the future of our community.

Some people want to see our schools developed and provide the best scenarios for the future of our children. It's called planning for the future. Just because you can't see past not having a few extra dollars in your wallet for a six pack of Miller Lite and a bag of pork rinds every weekend doesn't mean it's not worth it.

Think of the future and the development of our community, not your ego driven need to make yourself feel better by posting attacks on people who are trying to make positive changes for our schools and children.

Kelly

You forgot to mention all of the ones who criticize the schools but don't even live here. They just want to attack because it's Perkins.

luvblues2

It has nothing to do with where you live, Kelly. It has to do with the way the state of Ohio is taking care of it's priorities. The BOE's are finding loopholes in the laws and using back door tactics because they are forced to. This is going to have a domino effect. Watch.

Kelly

It absolutely has to do with where you live. Some of the people on here make it a habit to bash anything Perkins just because it IS Perkins. It's ridiculous.

mrjsiah

This has got to be the joke of the year! Why is it that people from perkins or huron come on here and judge everybody else but when we have a article about them people just want to bash because its them what makes perkins any better? i remeber in a past article someone said the register had something against perkins because of a article

samiam

Just because spending by the federal government is out of control doesn't make it okay or right for the local school districts to do the same thing. If people don't have good paying jobs, there isn't going to be any money to pay the loan or to maintain the new buildings.

luvblues2

From your lips to God's ears, samiam.

samiam

sorry for duplicate posting.

Perkins2060

I love how you say we are armchair quarterbacking what the board and Gunner is doing. How about the board and Gunner armchair quarterbacking on what the voters said on the new school levy???

luvblues2

@Fear. Your post is a contradiction. We don't trust the gov't because we like being kept in the loop. If the gov't wants to use the "back door", the least they could do is give us a "reach around". :)

Wald

This is absolutely right. A levy to build new schools was defeated...twice! That isn't "arm-chair quarterbacking", that is the public going out and casting their votes. Of course, "Dr." Gunner doesn't operate in a democracy...he knows better than everyone else. The defeated levies were a blow to his ego, now he is going to build his new schools come hell or high water. This is just a big f-you to the residents of Perkins. I hope he has fun trying to operate these schools when the new operating levy fails. Of course, then all the threats of cuts to staff, programs, and pay-to-play sports will be bandied about. Just wait and see.

donutshopguy

If I understand this correctly, your taxes will not increase from the building of the school. Exsisting money, already on the tax base, that was moved will fund the construction.

Now the rub. The school system with the new building will have no money to operate this new facility. Operating levies will fail and the school will be forced to cut services and activities.

A brand new school that can't be used.

Perkins2060

Exactly! No future school levy will pass. You can bank on it.

Lil DAB

Just look at all the surrounding communities' financial troubles; after tearing down old schools and building new ones!
Every election the school administration uses their employees and our kids to "grief" us to pass a levy. No means no.
They believe their financial solution is to TAX us more. Throwing money at problems doesn't make them go away!
http://voteno43410.webs.com/

donutshopguy

"A brand new school that can't be used."

Mr. Gunner needs this building to complete his resume. He never moved here. Never wanted to be part of this community. After the building is complete, he will be off to the brighter lights of a new job and the community will have a brand new school that can't be used due to failed operating fund levies.

Folks, your school board has been sold a bill of goods by a carpetbagger.

EZOB

Fear,
I know you people that continually mention our sports programs just don't "Get-It". It's education that is failing in the US and putting us further behind other countries. Perkins does an excellent job of covering up students grades and "Push" them through the system. State and Federal guidelines have enabled Perkins to graduate inferior students. Yes, we have a lot of very intelligent students at Perkins but make no mistake, there is extreme cover-up concerning students who have failed basic math and English. At least if the school is forced to close, there is a nice football field all can attend if someone volunteers to cut the grass.

donutshopguy

EZOB,

You don't have to cut the grass. It's artificial turf.

But, back to your premise of a cover up. Our educational system has dummied down requirements to obtain a high school diploma. Heck, they have dummied down the requirement to obtain a BA college degree. Both degrees have little or no value to employers when evaluating people for jobs.

It's our job to make the opportunity available not to fix the outcome.

EZOB

Donut Guy,
Have to admit that I was behind the times on the turf. I assumed because of the last statistics I heard that artificial turf causes more injuries to the athletes? But Heck, who really cares about the athletes as long as they win. One out of how many thousand will make a living playing a sport while the rest live out their lives nursing high school injuries. This is more wide-spread than goes reported.

underthebridge

This link allows you to find the preliminary data from the 2012 ODE District Report Card. To their credit, the high school earned an Excellent rating. Unfortunately, both Briar and Meadowlawn were only rated Effective (Furry rating wasn't available). The overall district rating is still Effective.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/...

Common Sense

Re: Sue3251958
FYI - Each student that is openly enrolled brings in the equivalent of a township homeowner's taxes whose property and home is valued at $750,000. Multiple children from one family increases that amount of money coming in to the district.
Are you one of the few who are paying for that rather large property and home? I am certainly not and open enrollment is not the reason for the need of a new school building. Health concerns (asbestos), plumbing, and electrical needs are just ome of the other reasons.
By the way, for those who wish to state that the schools should have done a better job of keeping up with the structures, I am reminded of the fact that my "flood insurance" has more than tripled over the last decade and I will never see a dime of that. That money would be great to keep my home up with, but the government "MANDATES" it. Same things with education. Government mandates it without funds to cover it.

WaterStreetCooncat

Pretty soon they'll be begging for money to keep the new stadium floodlights lit on nights no one is even in it. How ludicrous is that, Perkins?

grewuphere

Very very well said "fear is the mind killer" thanks for the time you took to write the post. Schools make a community. It is a fact. If you do not go to the meetings you can not make judgements. Good for anyone against who does go at least you are first psticipating and listening and then foming your opinion.

luvblues2

So, grewuphere, you advocate the school gov't going behind your back after you voted "no", twice? Why even vote at all?

grewuphere

By the way... When comparing education with other countries you very much forget that wealth and intelligence determines how much schooling you get in most places in the world... Much education stops at lower levels and the chosen go forward. Many places do not mandate the students must attend school through the age of 18 or have action of law taken against them . They do not educate special needs children instead they throw those children into labor situations and our lowest and brightest are averaged into those numbers you use. Don't forget all the variables that go in to our society versus others. Just saying...