Local teens speak out on Trayvon Martin killing

They're young. They're smart. They're black. And they found a cause worth fighting for in last month's death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.
Sandusky Register Staff
Mar 31, 2012

They’re young. They’re smart. They’re black. And they found a cause worth fighting for in last month’s death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. 

About 30 teens from Sandusky High donned hoodies Thursday as they marched and demanded justice for the Florida teenager who was fatally shot by a man who has not been charged for the killing.

Said one of the teens: “We need to make other people care about the situation, and we’re starting with Sandusky."

Martin was gunned down by a man acting as a neighborhood watchman. George Zimmerman told police Martin attacked him, but police audio recordings suggest Zimmerman was stalking Trayvon as the boy walked back from a store with skittles and iced tea in hand.

He was wearing a hoodie the night he was gunned down, which has prompted protesters throughout the nation to don hoodies at demonstrations.   

The teens marched from Sandusky High to the corner of Market and Jackson streets, stopping at the Sandusky Register building.

To view the video the teens produced from their march, click here.

Comments

Just Thinkin

I do not have a problem with the kids working toward justice, as long as they themselves know where right and wrong lay, if they are protesting just to stir up trouble then shame on them ,on the other hand if they really do care and handle it in a civil manner, more power to them

Bluto

Isn't stirring up trouble the whole idea of any protest ? If not ,what's the point in protesting ?

nobodycares

i wonder why these same kids didnt protest officer dunn getting killed by one of there own race ?????

Bluto

How do you know they didn't ?

donutshopguy

 Were there any young men in this march? No young men felt the need to protest this situation? What does that tell you?

November India Golf

that's our future !

starryeyes83

Are these same kids going to protest when more gun incidents happen in your town?

   Such as the pair who were recently arrested.   After all,  summer's coming.    

tobaka87

 They might be young and black but I'm not so sure about the smart part because it's iced tea not ice tea

PUGSLY84

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FruGalSpender

i still don't know what really happened to trayvon. i am skeptical of what i read in the papers and also online. it is going to take time for the facts to come out if they ever come out. you all know how i feel about the news that most people read and accept as gospel. if you want to march for trayvon, by all means do it. it will not bring trayvon back. maybe the march is for justice? what about the justice for black on black crimes? if only some who march would put out the effort to stop black on black crime. when black on black crime happens in sandusky and people witness the crime, there is your chance to stop black on black crime in the future. instead when the police investigate black on black crime, nobody saw nothing or heard nothing. what if rodney king was beat up by a bunch of black police officers, would there have been a riot? what if trayvon was shot and killed by a black neighborhood watchman? would there have been a outcry and marches? why is nobody concerned about blacks killing blacks in cleveland? http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/black-on-black-crime-widely-ignored-say-african-american-activists/   "Following President Obama’s comments on the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, some African-American activists say the media-dominating story is distracting attention from much greater threats to African-Americans. But “the outrage should be about us killing each other, about black-on-black crime,” especially in Chicago, rather than a single wrongful killing in Florida, he said."   not only do these blacks kill other blacks but they also kill whites. a killer is a killer no matter what color of his skin. start telling police about black on black crime instead of ignoring it. racism knows no color. racists promote racism. racists come in all colors. can we all get along? stop protecting criminals and racists. when you see crime, report what you see starting with sandusky at the local level. when sandusky's crime rate falls, the idea to report crime will spread to other cities like cleveland and chicago.

 

wiredmama222

These kids are exercizing their rights to protest and jumping on a "band wagon" that was fueled by the comments and convictions of the problems in one Flordia town.  Perhaps they are having problems in that one town.

NO SITTING PRESIDENT SHOULD EVER COMMENT ON ANY SITUATION SUCH AS THIS.  I do not care what it is.  His comments should never have been made PERIOD.  If he was going to comment on THIS incident he should have commented on every killing in every other town as well.  It was stupid and unnecessary and just added fuel to a growing fire.

The real problem here isn't race....its a lack of justice.  It turned into a race problem with Sharpton and Jackson and their mouths.

The police had to let Zimmerman go because he claimed self defense under the SYG law, according to the police report, but the parents do not agree with it.  I find it strange that he has made NO statement himself but through his family members, probably in fear that NOW, with all this attention and further investigation he will probably be arrested and tried.  Anything he says will be used against him and his lawyer has said to not say a word....good advice I would think. 

Only time will tell....April 10th, I understand.  Then the entire nation will see what happens.  Until then, everyone can march their feet off, but nothing will happen. 

I hope it stays peaceful.  If this goes the wrong way, it probably won't in that Florida town.  Just a though

The Big Dog's back

 wiredmama, watching a little to much Fox "news".?

EZOB

  My heart really goes out to the Family of Trayvon.  I have to question the Black Communities choice to bring such media attention to this case.  Before demonstrating, they should be absolutely sure they have picked the right fight.  What about the St. Patrick's Day shootings in Chicago where a seven year old innocent little girl was shot.  In a round-about-way, the protesters are accepting Black-on-Black killings but choose to ignore that killings take a lot longer to research than lesser crimes.  Let the justice system work, if it fails I'm right there with you.  The most shameful thing I have seen on the news is letting a person Publicly put a bounty on Zimmerman.  We read everyday locally that you can't threaten anyone yet, He gets away with putting a bounty on the capture of Zimmerman.  If I were in Charge there would be a lot of people behind bars for interfering with this case.  Certainly not the peaceful protesters, they have the right to say and march anyplace they like.

Two immediate choices of a prosecutor or Grand Jury:  Indict Zimmerman for murder or not.  I ask what will you do if they fail to indict Him?  If He is in charged with murder and found innocent what will you do?  People need to think ahead of time before letting emotions take over just like is happening right now.  Burning the town and destroying everyones personal property is a crime.  IO sur hope for the innocent it doesn't turn into another Rodney King fiasco.

SimpleEnough

I wonder how man teenagers have been shot for walking through a neighborhood not of their own, not a gated community, but a less than middle class neighborhood where someone just claiming that area as their territory and the teenager just happen to be wearing a article of clothing that had a color that was taken as "gang colors"? Or just because he wasn't known to the neighborhood?

What I would like to see is an overhead of the community showing the home of his father "fiancee", the store he went to, the area the incident started and ended with, the routes Tryvon took there and back and the homes that might have been burgled recently (not saying Tryvon was up to something, just trying to get the big picture).   

EZOB

  I sure am not a trained detective but I have several questions in My own mind about the case.

1)  I would need to know the location where he left to go to the store, the store location, and the gated community.  This would be on a map in front of me.

2)  What path did He take to the store?  Was it through the gated community?  Was He taking the most direct path home?  I know he has a right to walk anyplace He chooses but did He go out of his way to go through a gated community?

3)  Where did He gain entrance to the gated community?  The six foot fence they showed on TV would be very hard to go over carrying a hot dog and ice tea.

4)  Just saying, don't assume anything, but what if they say he had criminal tools in pockets or that He was in posession of narcotics.  What I'm really saying is that we know very, very little and it's way, way to early to jump to conclusions about a case that has esculated to this magnitude.

BEHAPPY

Hmmmmmmm........

EZOB

SimpleEnough,

   We were on the same page at the same time but I type slower.  You have to know the areas you are traveling.  Gang shootings like this are very common in say, LA.  Veterans riding motorcycles and wearing veterans leather vests are not allowed to travel in Columbus, Georgia, home of Ft. Benning.  A motorcycle gang refuses to let anyone disrespect "Their" territory.  Same goes for the Latino motorcycle gang of South Texas.  Everyone raised in most big cities is aware of "Ones Turf."

BEHAPPY

Here we go once again.

EZOB

BEHAPPY,

    Just a little reminder because you posted always remember, so I am.  Remember this is the second life Randleman took.  I'm quite sure the first guy had friends and family also.

Blacktigress

every time someone posts it fuels the fire, and I'm not fueling any fire of racisim and lawlessness this event has escalated to due to Sharpton and others whose sole income is to stir up hatred after this post.

Grow up girls, learn that the law specifies that a person is innocent until proven guilty, and they are investigating the situation. Your idol Trayvon was not a good person, wish what you want he would not be welcome near my home, black or white.

The Big Dog's back

 May God have mercy on your soul.

The Big Dog's back

 Gee, George W. Bush cut his vacation short to sign legislation about Terri Shiavo. Talk about not getting involved. Typical right wingers, Gov intervention for things they want.

Blacktigress

@ Big Dog with a little racist mind

Your neurosis and psychosis is showing, but ignore it, its true Big Dog, everyone is out to get us black folks, even in the delievery room those whitties start whispering in their newborn ears that "all blacks are bad and are not to be trusted". It definately may happen this way with any whites that personally know you, I even get this idea when reading your trash

that_guy

 Yep you hit the nail on the head blk tiger cub, everyone is out to get you because black people live up to the sterotype that they brought on themselves.   And that sterotype will never go away.

The Big Dog's back

 Like I said blacktigress, May God have mercy on your soul.

SpaceGodzilla

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czechurself

Regardless of the path he chose Trayvon had done nothing that could be deemed as suspicious except for being black and wearing a hoodie.  Zimmerman followed him, confronted him with a gun, and shot the boy to death.  IF there was a physical fight (there is no evidence to Zimmermans claims of what happened to actually be true), it would seem to me that Trayvon was defending himself and not the other way around.  Florida police acknowledge that most times they do an arrest and allow the courts to sort out the details, but in this case no arrest has been made.  By this account, justice is not blind.  

@Blacktigress...you mean that Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty.  That certainly wasnt the case for Trayvon.  

 

goofus

DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS

meowmix

czech-- you have pointed out the most relevant fact of this whole story.   Regardless of what type of kid he was, the simple fact of the matter was AT THAT TIME he was doing nothing wrong that deserved him being shot to death.   The very same could be said of any one of us being at the wrong place at the wrong time.     This kid appears to have done nothing illegal to have provoked this cop-wanna-be into killing him.    Face it, there are alot of hot dog Zimmerman's out there that are just itching to get into confrontations such as this.   Well, he looked and he got it..I'm quite sure he regrets his behavior now but too little too late.

that_guy

   Recreational Hoodie Wearer: Please dont Shoot!

meowmix

blacktigress...you suffer from race embarrassment I think.   Pehaps rightfully so in some instances, as do I when I read posts by goofus, origen, blah ,blah, blah-- but by the same token, you must acknowledge that in this case,  a life was snuffed out for no reason other than an over-zealous nut job.

6079 Smith W

Did Mr. Obama use his Weekly Address to ask for calm in the Trayvon Martin shooting?

No.

He spoke about taxing those who make more than $250K annually to pay for more entitlements.

Mr. Obama's divide and conquer strategy of using class and race in order to get re-elected marches on.
 

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/03/31/weekly-address-passing-buffett-rule-so-everyone-pays-their-fair-share

 

deertracker

 

@EZOB

answers....

1-3}  Trayvon's father lived in the community where he was killed.  What path?  Really?

4.}  This is not a question.  It is pure speculation on your part.  Something you suggest others not do.

You all can do your best to demonize this kid or Zimmerman but the only thing that matters are the facts.

Fact

1} He was told not to follow him but he did anyway.

2} Zimmerman had a gun and Trayvon did not.

3} The 911 call Zimmerman made has some racial undertones to it.

4} The police did question Zimmerman but opted to let him go with his gun even though the lead investigator wanted to charge him.

5} In America when one person pursues another and kills him there's usually an investigation and charges.

It's been more than 30 days.  How long does an investigation take?  What would you do if your beloved child was shot and killed on his way home from a store?  No one is advocating the death penalty or cruel and unusual punishment just justice.........One nation under God with liberty and justice for all......remember that?  Had to say it every morning for years before school started!  That's all that is sought here.  I implore many of you to pay close attention to all the facts.  It really isn't about race but the stuation does have a racial element to it simply because of the ethnicity of those involved..

Also, let's allow Office Dunn to rest in peace.  These are two totally unrelated incidents.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Blacktigress

Why isn't the press telling us that Zimmerman was the Neighborhood Watch Captain and THAT was the reason he was following Trayvon ! 

THESE STUDENTS SHOULD BE MADE TO READ THIS LINK and get some REAL information instead of the crap coming from home and Sharptons mouth!

"The conservative black pastor who was once the chapter president of the Garland, Texas NAACP called Jackson and Sharpton “race hustlers” and said they are “acting as though they are buzzards circling the carcass of this young boy.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/former-naacp-leader-accuses-sharpton-and-jackson-of-exploiting-trayvon-martin/#ixzz1qhz1MU00

How about the two white British youth murdered by blacks, where is the outrage for this? 

The went into an all black portion of Sarasota and met up with blacks with the mentality of Big Dog and were murdered for being 'crackers', made them pull down their pants and beg for their lives before they were shot point blank. Where is your outcry for justice here Big Dog?

MURDER is MURDER, and guess what Big racist Dog, God doesn't care what color it is, but your comments and the actions of the followers of Sharpton has and is setting back the country to the time of the 60's. Are you that ignorant to think that this type of behavior is going to sway the public to respect blacks more? WHITES HATE JACKSON and SHAPTON and I DO TOO, They're both opportunists that thrive on racisim like yourself and make millions with it. These fools statements will only cause problems and more separation between the races.

Former Texas NAACP leader Rev. C.L Bryant condemns your actions along with Jackson and Sharpton! Your acting the fool and I believe that this story helps you supliment something lacking inside yourself, and you feel this is a cause that gives you a sense of importance. Well, it doesn't! It makes you look like an a*s. At least these kids marching have the excuse that they are still growing up, one can only pray they don't use you as their example.

The Big Dog's back

 Livin in the Big House huh b t.

deertracker

 

It is refreshing to know that some of you on here earn more than 250K a year.  I applaud your success but an entitlement to me is something I am entitled to because I earned it.  You earned a paycheck so you are entitled to it.  Same with social security or services from your local government because you may have paid taxes.  I have no problem earning my way but once I do it's time to pay up.  No one wants to take your hard earned millions and "make it rain".

We do not need the President to call for calm just justice!

Blacktigress

Former NAACP leader C.L. Bryant is accusing Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton of “exploiting” the Trayvon Martin tragedy to “racially divide this country.”

“His family should be outraged at the fact that they’re using this child as the bait to inflame racial passions,” Rev. C.L. Bryant said in a Monday interview with The Daily Caller.

The conservative black pastor who was once the chapter president of the Garland, Texas NAACP called Jackson and Sharpton “race hustlers” and said they are “acting as though they are buzzards circling the carcass of this young boy.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/former-naacp-leader-accuses-sharpton-and-jackson-of-exploiting-trayvon-martin/#ixzz1qi0SjasP   Read this Student Marchers and read it well.

 

The Big Dog's back

 Do you know who started and runs the Daily Caller? Tucker Carlson. Right wingnut deluxe.

czechurself

@Blacktigress.....the media did bring to mention ....many times... that Zimmerman was part of the Neighborhood Watch.  However, it has nothing to do with the fact that he overstepped his boundaries.  He was told NOT TO PURSUE and he continued to act in vigilance.  Trayvon had not broken any laws and had done nothing to call suspicion to himself other than being black in a predominantly white neighborhood. 

 

EZOB

   I'm really not taking sides, Just stating facts or opinions as I've heard.  Like on the racial remark made by Zimmerman, The news completely left out that Zimmerman was asked by the Dispatcher to give a description.  Stating He's black is not racial in My description or even wearing a hood.  What would you suggest he describe first,  He has white tennis shoes.  Even if He is found guilty, I think Zimmerman is really a nice guy that made a terrible mistake and it wasn't racially motivated.  Black, White, or Hispanic you would have been glad to have Him for a neighbor.  Bad guys make mistakes, good guys make mistakes, they don't have to always be racially motivated.  I would like to believe that given Trayvon could have been  white, hispanic, or even asian, Zimmerman acted the same. 

goofus

People that rely on the lamestream media are nothing more than sheeples.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/03/30/New-Video-of-George-Zimmerman-Casts-Doubt-on-ABC-Report

At the .51 mark look at the tape on Zimmerman nose. At the 1.35 mark what is the cop looking at the back of the head for lice?

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/03/30/NBC-Deceptively-Edits-Zimmerman-911-Call

Now it's NBC's turn.

The Big Dog's back

 briethbart? Yeah, that factual, about as factual as the gayteway pundit.

Blacktigress
@ Meow, I think that until the investigation is over we don't know the facts. And I'm certain that if Zimmerman did 'murder'  Trayvon justice will prevail, but justice is NEVER served with the likes of Sharpton and Jackson, NEVER. Did YOU know that Zimmerman was a neighborhood watch captain? You ASSUMMED I’m sure like the mass that he was stalking Trayvon, which is not the case, he was doing what he was to do as a neighborhood watchman. So until the facts are in I suggest you stop spewing what you THINK they are, if not this country will burn because of false reports. @ Big Dog Don't worry about God's mercy being upon me, I can substantiate His mercy with unlimited verses His mercy. I ask you, can you tell us the difference between His mercy and His justice?   If so you would not be charging Zimmerman with what you spew until the facts are in. Its strange to us who know the Word of God to see youth shouting ‘no justice no peace’, which is 100% antinomian to Gods ways.  Your having mercy on someone should be towards your leader Sharpton/Jackson who draw away the reasoning skills of our black youth and turn them into a self demanding society where gang type mentality rules. Your views and stance disgusts me Dog, you are the epitimy of everything that is wrong with our race. Google “Blacks against Sharpton” or Jackson, there are millions of us who are disgusted by your self serving righteousness that proclaims to know God but thumbs their noses at His teachings. I feel sorry for these students who marched, they have been lied to concerning the word justice by their leaders, INCLUDING THEIR PASTORS.  I’m not saying that Zimmerman is innocent, I’m saying that this 60’s form of gangster style demands is NOT contusive of a civil race or society. It will and has created the opposite effect of what you want, peace. Imagine the whites who had two British children murdered in Sarasota when they went into the black area. They had them pull their pants down and beg for their lives but instead were shot point blank. What do you think the whites think by our president’s silence on that crime? Where was YOUR CRY BID DOG? You want justice but it seems you only want it for reasons that build your ego, not for what God tells us to stand for, seriously, your kind is disgraceful, it’s sickening how you demand that we be accepted but act like degenerates instead of lawful citizens.
The Big Dog's back

God bless you and may God have mercy on your soul b t. 

czechurself

Blacktigress....this injustice is not about Sharpton or Jackson.  It is about the unecessary murder of Trayvon.  You seem to be more caught up in the race circus that is being waged than any other person on this thread.  You are the one, regardless of the race of either individual, failing to comprehend that a man was unjustly shot and killed.   Zimmerman was told by police NOT to pursue.. whether you call it stalking or otherwise, Zimmerman pursued Trayvon.  He had been following and watching Trayvon for several moments before calling police.  Then Trayvon, according to Zimmerman, watched as Zimmerman was on the phone and still following him.  He said that at one point Trayvon ran off.  Zimmerman refused to let it go.  The officer asked him if he was still following him and Zimmerman stated he was. The officer said "Sir, we do not need you to do that".  After several moments of still hearing Zimmerman breathing heavy, he stated on the 911 tape "damn, these guys always get away".  He also was unable to give an exact loaction where the police could locate him to get details because he was still in pursuit.  Instead, he asked them to call him on his cell phone when they reached the area so he could then give them his exact location when they arrived.  Of the many 911 recordings that followed, one from a woman caller, describes hearing shouting in her backyard and tells the dispatcher that the guy in the white t shirt is on top of the other guy.  Someone was shouting HELP! HELP!  Then shots followed.  Given the description Zimmerman gave of Trayvon, he was not wearing a white t shirt.  

You are a fool if you think that these kids are marching to the drum that Sharpton and Jackson are beating.  For them it is all about profiling them because of their hooded sweatshirts. 

    

Blacktigress

@ czechurself

Wrong wrong and wrong

Again, YOU DON'T KNOW ALL THE FACTS and yet you say UNECESSARY murder, HOW DO YOU KNOW? the facts are NOT all there and you already 'assume' that it was a murder and not self defence. There was a witness that Trayvon was on top of him WHERE IS YOUR WITNESS to say other wise? 

Again, this wasn't a racist issue until the liberal press, Shaprton and Jackson made it one. Why havent YOU spoken up against the Sarasota dual execuation of those white 'crackers'? Why are YOU silent about that crime where there ARE facts and multiple witnesses but your so vocal about something that doesn't have FACTS that condemn Zimmerman?  Your tape about Zimmerman chasing them ignores the fact that he was doing what the community decided to do as a BLCOK WATCH.

These kids ARE marching to the drum of Sharpton and Jackson, go to ANY black local church and you will hear the drum beat over and over about how we are always the victims.

When ALL the facts are out, ALL of them, not just the ones you have listened too but ALL of them, THEN after the police/authorities do something is the time we should be involved.

WHERE are your cries against Sharpton screeming to ESCALLATE civlil disobedience? Don't call yourself an American if you defend Sharptons call for riots if he doesn't get his idea of justice! You can call me a fool but the facts are YOU are no different than Sharpton, and until you walk in a black persons shoes that experience every day the racisim coming from my own race you should keep your opinions to yourself! Sharpton/Jackson has created MORE problems for law abiding black citizens than any other fiquire, they make the other races detest the entire race, believing were all out for handouts and THEIR forms of justice. Since when is justice a lynching? This is EXACTLY what Sharpton wants, a Black lynching against someone where the facts are NOT in, no matter what you say there are conflicting reports. Again, where are YOUR witnesses to say differently from the one who gave a statement? YOU DON'T HAVE ONE, all you have is liberal bias news and big mouth Sharptons views, and you call ME a fool? LOL! 

The Big Dog's back

 I'm not calling you a fool b t, you have done a good job of that yourself.

meowmix

Right EZOB-- a clean cut WHITE kid kid walking down the street running into Zimmerman would have resulted in him being shot.   I hardly think so.

Hey, I don't wear blinders and neither does big dog when it comes to race and crime....but lets face it folks..this kid was killed simply because of the color of his skin and his possible "attitude".     

Never heard of a human being killing another due to carrying skittles for crying out loud.

This is the fact of this story. 

dig this

     The Rev. Al Sharpton has been invited to Ebenezer's Easter program next Sunday. Let's hope his message of peace his heard.

goofus

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/03/30/Sharpton-Civil-Disobedience

For the mentally challenged leftists, click on the sharpton picture to get his video.

deertracker

 

I agree that this isn't about race.  I also believe that there is a difference between something being racist or racial.  Describing someone as black.....especially if they are........in no way makes you a racist.  Making deragatory racist comments during the call changes things for me.  I guess I am a bit of a crime junkie......the ID channel is awesome!

goofus

Frootie, did they film this video in the same sound stage they faked the moon shotROFLMWAO

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BW1

meowmix : Regardless of what type of kid he was, the simple fact of the matter was AT THAT TIME he was doing nothing wrong that deserved him being shot to death.

So, being on top of Zimmerman, repeatedly slamming his head into the concrete, as an eyewitness described, is "doing nothing wrong?"

deertracker

@Blacktigress

Your factual knowledge of this case is sorely lacking.  You can't get all your info from a conservative news source.  There's ALWAYS two sides to any story.  You should inform yourself before you post!

Blacktigress

@ deertracker

 

1st. I agree with your one post that this isn't about race, but Sharpton and the liberal blacks are making it so. Look at Big Dog, he would have him executed by now. The race crime happened in Sarasota when two whites were murdered execution style because they were 'crackers', Wheres the blacks outrage of this crime? I'm outraged over it and I'm black. MURDER IS MURDER and NOTHING good comes from it! But the blacks only get excited if its murder one way,

And concerning me not having the stories correct is ridiculous and what I consider an ignorant statment. The FACTS are this,  The ONLY news coming out is from the liberal presss, and you have the nerve to say the conservative side is somehow lacking? What a foolish post you made.

Until the facts are completely out you and I don't know what the truth is, this is exactly my point, so why is Sharption, Dog and these already racist students demanding the lynching of Zimmerman? This is NOT JUSTICE but another form of murder except its from the heart! Jesus condemned this form of murder no less than the actual event.  

 

EZOB

    Each of us should ask ourself, am I the most racist person who posts here?  Remeber the Comedian who said he got a DUI because they were profiling that night?  They were stopping anyone who was driving on a sidewalk,  naturally a joke.  I could sit on a jury and honestly cast a guilty or not guilty vote without discriminating on a persons color.  Do I profile?  Yes!  It has nothing to do with color.  White or Black, pull up your pants girls also, I don't care to see your behinds or underwear.  Tie your shoes, senseless to continually trip over your own shoe strings.  You wear your hats backwards or sideways, only baseball catchers use to turn their hats around,  typical of todays youth because they don't know themselves if they are coming or going.  80 degrees and they have to wear  three pair of underwear.  Even while driving in the summer, two shirts and a hoodie pulled over their face.  I'd like to see yearbook pictures, see if you can recognize the same kids you see on the street?

origen

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Twin%20Lakes%20Shooting%20Initial%20Report.pdf

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Zimmerman_Martin_shooting.pdf

If ANYONE knows more than the police that they havent seen on the news, Please go down there and help. If not wait and see what the authoritys do, Mob justice doesnt work here and we have a system, Let it work. All the news/entertainment channels speculate on what, why,when and how and feed you what they want you to know to cause a bigger story.

The Big Dog's back

 ori, mob justice sure worked for the Repubs in Florida in the 2000 election. Seems they are use to it.

origen

@Big Dog

???? Now this is a political matter? Stretching it a bit arent you, Not everything is political just as not everything is racial. Anything to further a genda huh? Useing a travesty such as this for political points is just sad man, Just sad. Shows what type of people the left is "Never let a crises go to waste"

wiredmama222

@origen.....why isn't that letter on police stationery.....I just wondered?  Or did he put that in the newspaper?

origen

@wired

That is off the sanford city site, Think its only on the web and not on paper.

For mor info on updates and press releases visit http://www.sanfordfl.gov/index.html It is where the incident happened and the local government (Incuding the police dpt) site. This is what i would consider "The horses mouth"

wiredmama222

I just wondered, because on HLN , they read this verbatum on Thursday ( I think was Thursday, could have been Friday).. morning. 

They showed tha video of Zimmerman getting out of the police car.  Then they read this letter. 

tI knew it sounded familiar when I started reading it.  Thanks for the info. 

EZOB

DeerTracker,

   I don't think you track to well.  To get all the facts you should try the papers, mainsteam news, and yes, even fox.  You weigh out all that you can and try and make a sensible opinion.  If you spend a lot of time at the range, know your weapon,  take your time and make real sure you have a clean "Kill Shot" you don't have to worry to much about tracking.  Oh, by the way, I've killed everything from deer, antelope, mule deer, moose, elk, and even grizzly bear.  Do Your home work.

wiredmama222

@the big dogs back.....no, actually I watch Cnn and HLN....mostly HLN.   I am still waiting to see what happens, as I said, at that April 10 GJ.  Aren't you?  or have you already made up your mind from your bobblehead sources?  Frankly, I don't think ANY of the news sources have it right. 

I really wonder what happened after seeing that police video and then listening to Zimmerman's family.  That sure didn't fit together. 

The Big Dog's back

 wiredmama, After hearing the police dispatcher telling zimmerman to back off and he still, still wanted a confrontation, the only debate left is manslaughter or murder.

wiredmama222

the Big Dogs back....in my eyes Mr Zimmerman is guilty of that under OHIO law. But have you read that Castle or Stand your Ground Law for Florida?   He claims self defense....if he can prove that, he gets off scott free.  To me that is the DUMBEST law I ever read. It just gives free reign to kill somebody and that is sure what happened here.  That is why the cops let him go in the first place. 

Now with everyone screaming, the AG of Florida got in on it, the guy who wrote it says the cops misinterpreted it and everything is in an uproar....sometimes the media.....even mainstream....gets things right. 

Thats why I am waiting until April 10'th to see what happens.  I am afraid with everthing so tense down there, if they DON"T arrest and convict this guy you are going to see a major riot in that city.

419og

 do you know that a girl just got in trouble for molesting to kids its been on here about  two days know

deertracker

@EZOB

I have never killed a deer or even caught a fish.  My screen name is in no way descriptive.  Whatever to the rest of your rhetoric!

EZOB

Blacktigress--Origen:

    I couldn't say it better.  My thoughts exactly.  Two wrongs won't make it right!  I'm 100% Military, yet after 911 I kept saying we should take our time and make sure we go after the right people.  Most are to quick to judge, including myself.  How many times have many of us been wrong by our initial thoughts, at least several times I'd guess.  "Vengence is Mine Sayeth the Lord"  I sure wish there would have been the same "out cry" for action for the seven year old girl in Chicago

The Big Dog's back

 ezob, Who made it political?? Oh when you right wingers introduce politics in to something, it's OK. Sharpton, Jackson, Obama, but when a Progressive says something, O M G!

deertracker

@Blacktigress

You really need to quit.  You really do!

southernstyle75

I'm so proud of these young ladies for representing, who the girl in the back wearing pink? She looks like my niece but I never heard about them soon the walk. May Trayvon rest in peace and justice be served

Katelih-Trailer...

" Neighborhood Watch programs are designed for members of a neighborhood to be “eyes and ears” for police and to watch out for their neighbors. They are not members of the Police Department nor are they vigilantes."

 

newsfeed.time.com/2012/03/29/george-zimmerman-shows-no-sign-of-injury-in-video-taken-after-killing/    Zimmerman appears to be unscathed, in my opinion.

 

Truth or Dare

When and where did Sharpton and Jackson seek, let alone show support for a bounty, let alone a lynching?  They're asking for a re-investigation, one that will be looked at w/unbiased, opened eyes!    After all, this man has had a great deal of contact with  the Sanford PD, hasn't he? 

From viewing the videotape of when he was taken for questioning and got out of that police car..........Looks like a guy that's far too calm, and one  certainly not sporting a bloodied,  broken nose and busted up  head!  Don't know about anyone else, but had I just gotten attacked and in "self-defense" fought back, ending up shooting and killing that individual,  I wouldn't be looking as thougth I just took another stroll  through the complex! 

EZOB

   I really am glad that I don't understand the reasoning that it's okay to burn the whole town down if you don't get your way.  I could better understand the Indians burning the White man homes because they didn't want them there in the first place.  Now everyone is worrying that the same people who live there are going to burn there own town.  Wow, I pray My home town don't burn and they purposely set fire to their town, not that it has happened.  If this is the thought going around, I can now understand why they thought they should have armed guys walking around like Zimmerman.  The place really did need more protection than the police were able to provide.  At least respect thy neighbor.

goofus

Nice scenario czech, were you first or second on the scene? Didn't know you were an officer in Sanford! But I guess if you said it , it has to be the only true account and no others are valid, looking forward to your expert testimony coming up. I see it as a democrat on democrat crime. All the outrage and white doctors kill more blacks than ever!

http://www.klannedparenthood.com/History_of_Abortion_Statistics/

czechurself

I was never on the scene I just listened to the recorded 911 tapes of Zimmerman calling police and giving cause.  I listened to the conversation he had with the officer and how he explained his reason for calling.  I listened to the recording of the officer asking him his location and telling him to quit following Martin. I heard Zimmerman tell the officer that Martin took off running. I heard the dispatch officer ask him for his location again and Zimmerman did not know where he was at because he was still in pursuit. I listened to several 911 calls that came in moments after he hung up with officers and one woman saw a man in a white t shirt on top of another man.  (She did not know the race of either man when asked).  But it would take no indepth reasoning ability to know that if Martin was wearing a hooded sweatshirt when he was spotted and also when he died, he was not wearing a white t shirt during the altercation with Zimmerman.  If Zimmerman is ever charged this is the same evidence that will jurors will listen to.   

I dont believe the situation was racially motivated.  I also dont believe that as the aggressor that Zimmerman can claim self defense and therefore he should be charged with murder. 

I dont give credit to people like Sharpton or Jackson. Making race the issue is what they always do.  I choose not be a sheep to their agenda.  Making this the main issue is what they want you to do and I refuse to.  Which is why I havent chosen to discuss it with YOU.   

goofus
goofus says

People that rely on the lamestream media are nothing more than sheeples.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/03/30/New-Video-of-George-Zimmerman-Casts-Doubt-on-ABC-Report

At the .51 mark look at the tape on Zimmerman nose. At the 1.35 mark what is the cop looking at the back of the head for lice?

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/03/30/NBC-Deceptively-Edits-Zimmerman-911-Call

Now it's NBC's turn.

 

For those of you that missed it!!!!!   Good sheeple follow the lamestream media, especially the printed word

starryeyes83

 Pay attention to what's in your own backyard.  Not another  town's.

 

THINK!

frizzlefrap

thank God the media didn't mention he was black (TRAYVON??)!

Katelih-Trailer...

 frizzlefrap...I know a kid named Treyvon who is white..I know a few kids named Treven who are white,...What's your point ?  Maybe you are not around many kids these days...?

origen

So we have went from race to hoodies, Hoodies to politics, Politics to names whats next are we supposed to stereotype eating habits? Come on folks all the rhetoric is going to lead to someone else getting hurt over this Travesty.

Somewhere in this seething mass of human stupidity there is the truth being buried by personal opinions and long ingrained bias, To find that truth or rather a acceptable one the system must be allowed to work without the bovine public following the race shepards into a stampede. Humanity is being tested as is our society, It is failing miserably and society is being divided into its loading shoots according to the will of thier handlers only to be exploited for its failings. I am glad i do not have any preconcieved notions about anyone one race,creed or sex, It helps me condemn humanity as a whole for what they are, Animals expressing thier base instinct to run with the herd at the slightest nudging from the herders. In other words our petty differences that divide us are nothing compared to the loss of the individual in this matter, This is just the nudge that sets off the stampede of stupidity that will leave us nothing but tired and sick, But doesnt change the facts that someone lost thier life for whatever reason and the shepards will gain attention and prestige from it. Pretty sad.

/Rant off

EZOB

  All the hate??  People like some of the speakers, (SOME) choose others to do their dirty work.  I wonder, put Zimmerman handcuffed in a chair and one on one with a pistol in hand, could they look him in the eyes, and shoot him in the forehead.  My bet is "NO".  Yet, they run their mouths.  Allowing these people to rant on like this is criminal, Where is Homeland Security?  Shouldn't they be making an appearance before this esculates any further.  Why isn't the Governor saying something or better yet, the President could assure these people a decision is coming.  An appearance or statement by the President right now could quell a lot of uncetainity, or even property damage in the near future.

Blacktigress

lesson for the students...

The official campaign poster for the1868 Democratic Presidential campaign read:

"This is a White Man’s Country - Let the White Men Rule."

THIS is one reason Martin Luther King Jr was a REPUBLICAN !

 

Students, when you hear Jackson and Sharpton talk against the Jim Crow laws remember this: 
Democrats supported and passed Jim Crow Laws

So, ask yourselves students who marched, WHY DO YOU LISTEN TO TRADERS OF OUR RACE such as Jackson and Sharpton? They stand for everything that MLK was against!

I could post literally thousands of votes and causes the democrats have done against our black race, NOW the Sharpton's of our race  wish to raise up another generation of lawless youth who believe they can demand with violence their form of justice. THIS is what I'm against! Sure, Jackson and Sharpton will say its a peacefull uprising they want, but they know with a surgeons skill how to phrase and speak to create an emotion for violence and lawlessness, and they will do it in the name of God.  I remember the night when Sandusky burned and if we black parents don't quench these lawless thoughts of our youth it will happen again, and Shapton and Jackson will make alot of money from it when it starts. The ones who will be hurt are we, the blacks, the hatred from the whites will be evidenced by unemployment and segregation; everything we've gained will be turned back. Who here think that this Sunday the black preachers are going to speak for Gods Justice and not mob or black justice? I strongly suggest and ask that you white people attend and listen for yourselves what is going to be preached this week in our black church's and report back. Let us know what the message is going to be about. Do you really think its going to be about God or do you think its going to be about Trayvon and Zimmerman? Isn't Sunday GODS day instead of Sharptons and 'the cause'.  Im fearful for our youth, they've never seen or felt the harm that the 60's brought with it. 

snatchblock_445

Soooo, there is nothing to do in Sandusky so they take to the street to fit in???lmao, thats about the dumbest comment I have ever heard coming from a group of kids talking about getting justice for someone

snatchblock_445

they want the police to do their job???, what about the shootings in sandusky?, the police interview people to find out who did it, and what do they say?....." Oh, I didn't even see what happen I wasn't here", they know what happen, but because they thing the city of Sandusky is "profiling" they don't want to talk to the police.the more you kids talk to validate your claim you dig yourself deeper

Blacktigress

Dr Kings neice and Turner Clayton, the Seminole County chapter president of the NAACP does NOT endorse Sharptons calls and even asks them to stop the manipulation to advance their own adgendas.

To all you sensible people out there, white, black, mixed, or whatever, don't think for one moment that ALL blacks support the ignorance of Sharpton & Jackson and what ever Dog comes around! Such ignorance is changing. As parents we made it our goal to teach our children to think as if they were blind instead of judging with eyesight.  Such ignorance of those who threaten society with signs of No Justice No peace are actually saying  "no peace if there is no justice to OUR liking"   Yes, that's EXACTLY what those signs mean and shame on anyone who support lawlessness and a long forgotten tribal mentality. We are AMERICANS, learn what it means children before you perish by the ones wishing to drag you down to destruction of hate and mistrust.

  Dog, your distortions are the ideology of another era. MANY blacks are becoming educated to the ways of black racisim and excuses.

William Rutherford, was told by his personal friend Martin Luther King Jr, that "Dr King didn't trust Jackson, he didn't even like Jessee." From "Bearing the Cross by David J. Garrow  Yet parents today lead their children to think that Jackson and Sharpton are some kind of crusaders for the Black Cause. RUBBISH, no two men have hurt the advancement of our race MORE than these two theives of the ignorant and poor!

Alveda King, MLK 's neice has strong words for Jackson and Sharpton along with those who stir up the public, (I HOPE the students will read this link!)

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s niece has criticized Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson for politicizing the Trayvon Martin shooting and leveraging racial tensions to rile up Americans.
"Dr. Alveda King, now the director of African-American outreach at Priests for Life and the founder of King For America, said she hopes Sharpton and Jackson stop “stirring up the people without positive solutions” in Sanford, Fla., and elsewhere in the U.S....to talk about nonviolence and not to incite people with that race card that they are very good at playing.”

http://theintelhub.com/2012/03/2...

Video here.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news...

If Zimmerman is guilty there will be charges, if he is guilty and no charges are brought do you honestly think children that violence and lawlessness is the way to make things right? Where is the justice to harming others to force a man to be charged? Lawlessness make YOU a criminal no less than Zimmerman!  THREATS of NO PEACE is NOT the way of God, it is the way of the HOODS, the way of gangs and their demonic leaders. I encourage all youth to ignore ANY parent or leader that incites any form of  uprising, racisim, hatred or anything else that will distract you from becoming a Godly person who stays in school and leads by Godliness. Showing  good will, education, kindness and long suffering. Calling for an 'escalation' is from hell and not heaven. 

 

The Big Dog's back

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SimpleEnough

Big Dog, Did you just infer that Blacktigeress is a "Uncle Tom"? Mr. that is just messed up, just because Blacktigeress has an opinion contrary to what others think she should have based upon gender or race or some other silly notion. 

wiredmama222

wow.....big dogs back....that is really below the belt. 

The Big Dog's back

 What's below the belt wiredmama? You had slaves living in the "Big House" while others were being murdered in the fields. Why is it when a person of color lashes out at another person of color, the right wing holds them up on a pedestal?

The Big Dog's back

 And I can't think of anything more racist than holding up a token (alveda) to further racism. We all know she hates Sharpton and Jackson, heck, she hated her own father and there is still suspicion surrounding his death since she was the last one with him. She used the "poor me, I'm Black" for her own purposes. Think before you speak. This is about a person being murdered for no reason, and was going to be swept under the rug. Thank God it wasn't.

wiredmama222

that has NOTHING to do with calling bt what you did....nothing at all. Who says this death is being swept under the rug?  NO ONE.  Let the GJ decide.....no one else. 

This is totally out of control

The Big Dog's back

 It would have been swept under the rug.

The Big Dog's back

 wiredmama, in case you haven't figured it out, b t is neither black or a woman.

wiredmama222

who cares.  Jeeze.  This kind of stuff is just NUTS.   All this crap about racists and who shot John is just crazy.  None of us was there.....nobody knows what went on except the people on the scene.....some are talking and some are not listening. 

Let the GJ figure it out and be done with it.  It is clogging up the airways..I am SICK of turning on the tv and getting 20 sec interval progress notes on what Sharpton, Jackson or anyone says about this.  I can't take it until the 10th of frigging April. 

I just don't care anymore.  This kid is DEAD.  What..all this will bring him back?????? No way.   But you cannot go and get this guy if they cannot make the charges stick and so far they can't seem to.  So all the screaming ARREST him isn't going to help.

Sure, I think they should....but you cannot do it with that crappy law in FLORIDA.  Don't blame me...blame the fools who wrote it and those who voted for it. 

 

wiredmama222

well, apparently the police and investigators now have the phone records of Trayvon's girlfriend and Trayvon and it seems she WAS on the phone with him that night.  But as if yet, no one has contacted her to discuss this matter. I am sure they will on Monday or Tuesday.  Her testimony is sure to be part of this investigation as well. 

As will be the two women who witnessed the "whimpering" and crying of someone outside their back door and who have been calling the police but have yet to have their statements taken by the cops.  I am sure they will be part of the people now having THEIR statements taken.  

all this info is from Huffington post....alll on video postings along with other items. 

Anyway I think everyone needs to wait and see what all of this comes down to on April 10 when the GJ meets and they decide what goes.  Either there will be shouting in the streets that Zimmerman will be arrested or there will be a war in Florida.  One of the two.  Who knows. 

 

Factitious

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wiredmama222

this is worse than the Jon Benet Ramsey case without the mountains and the snow.......

excel

Also noticed what looks to be a typo...

They’re young. They’re smart. They’re black. And they found a cause worth fighting for in last month’s death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

wiredmama222

@excel.....ok, I know I am not the firmest ice cube in the tray....where is the typo?  

 

ps.....ever put a bunch of girls with a video camera? All they do is laugh and giggle. 

wiredmama222

and big dog.....I never owned a slave in my entire life, but if you would like to apply...i will send you a copy of my rules and regulations.....not a problem. 

EZOB

   At one time or another I have attended about every Black (A Church is a Church) Church in Sandusky.  So when I go in should it still be referred to as a Black Church?  I'm white, so how can anyone say it's a Black Church, maybe predominately Black.  Then, look around, you'll see a lot of people, I want to be politically correct, of mixed race.  We have come a long way and I hate to see us go in reverse.  I am not afraid to go into any Church in our area.  What is happening down in Florida is terrible.  Please don't let it effect us in our area.  We have them in both races, black and white.

  Blacktigress, keep posting, you are one of the few showing common sense and compassion for all.  Make no mistake, this was a terrible tragedy.  Many in the Black community need to listen to some of the more laid back Pastors who I have grown to respect.  They will tell you some of the real problems that exist in the Black communities.  Somebody look this up- I heard that 93% of the Blacks murdered were killed by another Black.  If Zimmerman was Black, would you be upset, You should be.

mrjsiah

 How is blacktigress showing common sense what has they down but come on here and down everything a black person does . She is always on if my black people garbage i still cant and dont belive they are even black. Comes on here attacks black churches, black youths who are not harming anyone, continue to put down black families because they are the only (blacks in america that not goverment assiatance ) . I still believe this is the person formally known as blackhawk down when they were a older man who was black and lived by the white is right cocept and black is wrong.

wiredmama222

to EZOB and Blacktigress.....you both have reached the point that most thinking people would love to reach....the ability to see beyond the skin of a person into the soul.  For that you should both be commended. 

I dislike the Al Sharptons and Jessie Jackson's of the world who shout from the housetops that there is a difference when they do nothing to teach tolerance.  I hate to see the differences pointed out when there is nothing shown on how to cope, to learn and to be civil. 

When the rabble-rousers come in, all the follows are the cries and shouls of panic and unrest.....never a quiet resolve.  I have YET to see either one of them get to a peaceful solution with anything.  I have often wished that Dr King had lived a good long full life to preach his lessons longer.....there wouldn't have been an Al Sharpton or a Jessie Jackson had he lived....I truly believe that. 

But today this has just gotten to be nuts. This family, while they may have invited these two rabble rousers into the mix, has fanned this into a mess that could have been prevented and perhaps they would have gotten further along had they not done that.  You don't scream fire in a crowded room with only one door for an escape route.  

I cannot help but wonder if they would not have been more successful had they gone up the ladder of their own state first before shouting to the nation like this?  It might have been over by now.   

THED0N

O quit it!

illuminoctis

 

forget all that : P check my most recent (and final) comment on the other Trayvon-related SR article

i did not re-post it here, because my comment is mainly about the aspect of the story regarding the hate crime charge (and it's relation to the national attention issue), etc

Tool Shed

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goofus

http://www.katu.com/news/national/7-California-boys-arrested-in-attack-on-teen-145286335.html

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/04/nbc_caught_selectively_editing_zimmerman_911_tape.html

A few articles for your Sunday readings. Why is Al Sharpton a common tator on MSNBC!!!

The last post is for those that cringe when I mention Lamestream State Run media and for the Dan Rather fan club members.

big_d

Why is this not news?

 On Friday afternoon, Willie Brewer III, a 17-year-old Akron high school student and athlete, was shot and killed in the streets of the city’s west side.

Because this is black on black crime.

All too depressingly common.

That's why its not news outside of NE Ohio.

 

origen

@big_d

Same reason any other crime isnt big news, It doesnt get ratings and creates drama people can capitalize on.

The Big Dog's back

Do they have a suspect? Did they arrest him? The point is an unarmed boy was murdered, and no arrest has been made. You right wingers want the Old West back. Be careful what you wish for. 

origen

@Big dog

Did the get allen coons attackers yet? Or that 7 year old girl in chicago's killer yet? The only reason this Trayvon deal is news is because they are getting mileage off it for political theater, Divide the people according to race and exploit it so they can get attention while others get away with much much more. Never let a crises go to waste.

Right wingers wanting the wild west? How dumb, Who is in the middle of lynch mobs and marches. The left is exploiting it because they want the mob mentality, Leading the bovines by the nose and people are stupid enough to follow. Its call lateral violence (look it up). This whole situation makes me sick, People exploiting a dead kid for gain how low can you get? Keep fanning those flames though, Al sharpton thanks you for your support in exploiting a kids death and racially inflaming people till more get hurt.

The Big Dog's back

 ori, that's the point. They either have arrested or have warrants for their arrests. Where's zimmerman's warrant?

big_d

I'm not a right winger, as you call it, and I have no wish to bring back the old west. Regardless of what has happened in the past concerning white on black crime, people who hate this Zimmerman for what he has allegedly done, do not  have a right to put a bounty on his head, guilty or not, any more than if  people had called  for O.J. Simpsons death after he alledgedly murdered  Nicolle Brown Simpson. Let the facts make themselves known, and let justice play its part. In the meantime, ignore the race baiters and those who would turn us all against each other for their own profit.

Tool Shed

 Blah blah blah!  Get jobs!

The Big Dog's back

 ori, should we let them be free until they have an open and shut case?

origen

@Bid dog

Go down there and get him. Im sure the police will be nice enough to get you for kidnapping. Let the authoritys do what they are paid to do, I am sure he isnt going anywhere becuase the whole nation is watching his house by now. We have a system of laws, When the system jumps too early and messes up the perpetrator gets off scott free. Wouldnt you want a well planned case against the guy for the crimes he allegedly does, Or one thats thrown together on the hearsay of the media bobble heads? I dont think hearsay holds up in court and he will walk away with millions from sueing the local gov if they do not do it right. So common sense or mob rule take your pick?

Oh P.S There is no update on allen coons that i have found http://opnateye.com/?p=384 No suspects as of yet, Except for some reason they think they go to the same school but no one is pointing at anyone?

P.S "This is what you deserve white boy" May not be racially motivated, HA!!!

origen

You have to see where all this is going, They are inflaming racial tension for attention. Thats the story that media types would use the death of a kid as fodder for a sensational story before the authoritys have all the facts. Duke lacross team anyone??? Remember that fiasco, all because of media sensationalism for ratings. People are going to get hurt because of this and then will those that stir up stuff be happy? Will it sate thier thirst for a story that isnt even fully investigated yet? I doubt it.

The Big Dog's back

 Are all the facts in on the Allen Coon case? No!

This story has been spreading around on conservative blogs and message boards for the past week or so, as the Trayvon Martin story’s gathered momentum. The short version of it is that a 13 year old boy in Kansas City was attacked by two black teenagers, set on fire, and told, “That’s what you get, white boy.”

It’s a horrible story and I’ve zero interest in arguing that one is “worse” than the other. Conservative blogs, meanwhile, have been pointing to the fact that Trayvon Martin’s story has been the subject of a lot of interest and attention, while Allen Coon’s has not, as proof that “it doesn’t matter” because the victim was white.

Here is exactly why that’s absurd: Because it does matter that Allen Coon was attacked. It matters so much that the police immediately responded. They branded it ahate crime. They conducted an investigation, and put out an APB on the attackers. They treated it exactly the way that police treat crimes that matter.

So there’s no need to hold vigils for justice in the case of Allen Coon, because justice has swiftly and readily been sought by the people tasked to seek justice.

The reason people are outraged over Trayvon Martin’s shooting is not, ultimately, because a black teenager was shot. That happens all the time, frankly. What people are outraged about is that the police didn’t seem to treat it as though a crime had occurred. They don’t feel as though justice was sought on behalf of Martin or his family, and that is why they’re outraged. This isn’t about “no child should ever be attacked and society should not rest when it happens,” because we don’t live in a world where that would be practical. It’s about the police, and the prosecutors, in Florida who failed to seek justice in any way that the people observing the case recognize as seeking justice.

Or, in short: Allen Coon’s attack was tragic and wrong, and if the police had responded to Trayvon Martin’s in the same manner that they had responded to Coon’s, this would never have become anything close to a national news story.

origen

@Big dog

The racial divide is widening because they know where zimmerman is and they are building the case on him but it isnt fast enough for the masses who are being led by the media bobble heads. 1. are the investigating YES 2. do they know where he is YES 3. Is the media helping out in any form NO The only thing that is happening is people are getting mad no only at the authoritys for not making a snap decision and shooting zimmerman before a trial but at the media hype around a travest for attention, Heck some medias are either withholding, Misinforming or out and out lying about what is going on down there to inflame people. They hold no responsibility if someone else goes nuts and starts hurting people so what do they care if they incite a riot. Instead of focusing in on a "White" guy killing a "Black" guy, Why dont they focus in on one human killed another? Because it isnt sensational enough to get a boost in ratings.  If they arrest zimmernman without all the evidence and he gets a walk because the case falls through because of some technicality of lack of evidence will the black panthers, Al Sharpton and the rest leave him alone doubtful but that is exactly what will happen if the authoritys arent allowed time to do thier job.

Did you read that article? They were 16 years old and go to the same school but no one is in custody yet. Why because the police want to make sure they have the right guys and the case will hold up in court, Not a mob justice type scenario where someone is going to get hurt for the color of thier skin or the area in which they live.

The Big Dog's back

ori, seems like you are the one keeping it a black and white thing. 

Blacktigress

NBC LIED in their report! Surprise Surprise!!!
NBC and the leftest media are despicable in what they have done with this terrible event !

To those who used the 911 tape to say I'm ignoring the facts, shame on you too. I and others said not to judge until the facts come out and you call me an Uncle Tom and to others you insult as well. Big Dog, you talk about the wild west but its YOU that would storm into Zimmerman's home and take him to the nearest Oak tree! Of all the races WE should know how unfair it is to judge someone without due process!

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The IGNORANT will bring up the network argument, but they will say NOTHING about the lies of NBC, which is proven in this audio.
 

And now I've been accused of not being black because I broke the code and spoke against other brothers in the witness of crackers! I speak what I believe is truth and I really don't care if you think I'm 50/50 or coal black, if it matters that much to you I suggest you do as Jesus said, pluck your eyes out so you can see. Your logic would proclaim Jesus as not being Jewish because He spoke up against the Jews and what became of them. Many great Black brothers and sisters have spoken up to the nonsense of many in our race. Frances Rice has helped my family beyond measure over the years. Email her, she'll comminicate with you any time on any issue.  Frances Rice, Avelda King, Rev Dr Manning, Col. West, and I could keep going on with thousands of other blacks who have spoken up against the typical liberal agenda and some have made very strong stands against the typical mantra on Sunday mornings, so again I say, the tide is changing. Big Dog's posts reveal just how easy black on black crime plays itself out, look how he attacked Dr Kings niece because she holds a different viewpoint and her words destroyed his argument.  Mankind hasn't changed, Jesus's OWN people tried to murder Him numerous times and I'm afraid that those who want 'justice' or no peace would do the same to me and others who stand in their way.

The Big Dog's back

 So putting some facts out there is attacking someone. Who knew. And how about Dr. Cornell West, Van Jones, Barbara Lee, James Clyburn, John Conyers. All sucessful. Why only far right?

FruGalSpender

http://www.politicalnewsnow.com/2012/03/12/greenfield-black-racism-how-derrick-bell-beat-martin-luther-king-jr-frontpagemaga/  "“History proves that the white man is a devil,” said Malcolm X. “Whites are liars,” said Jeremiah Wright. “I love to harass white folks,” said Derrick Bell. This is what you deserve. You get what you deserve, white boy,” a black teenager said to Allen Coon, a white student on the porch of his own home, as he set him on fire. While white racism continues to decline year by year, black racism has advanced to the White House and into the hearts and minds of millions. It leads to everything from discrimination to murder. It led to a thirteen-year-old boy screaming as fire ate at the flesh of his face, burning away the white skin that his attackers had been taught to hate so much. "

Minuteman

I'm glad the kids are getting involved in this. They are paying attention and will put all the pieces together when it's done. I hope they do a documentary, showing us what information was released and when, and the effect that produced. How the public was manipulated. These kids are smart enough to analyze and come to a conclusion.  It won't be the hoped conclusion for many, but will be the best for the future of our country. They won't allow the same old thing for another 50 years like we have.

Hooray for the kids.

The Big Dog's back

Ooops, and frugie too! 

origen

@Big dog

I can understand that you cannot comprehend my post so i will state it as i would to a child.

"A kid died, Dont use it for publicity, Let the authoritys (The policemen) do thier jobs, Dont listen to the MSNBC commentator turned rabble rouser he wants to infame the public for ratings for his TV (Television) show". See how easy it is when you read!!

The Big Dog's back

 Why do you hate Al Sharpton so much ori? The case was going nowhere until the Martin family attorney contacted Al and told him about it. What's your problem? At least now there is an investigation. Isn't that what you said should happen?

origen

@Big dog

Well lets see why i dont like Sharpton. First he is a race baiter, Thats ALL he does. Second, He makes a living off of other people misfortune by exploiting it for attention ALL the time. Third, He doesnt care if he is right or wrong as long as he leads a march stirring up people over race. Forth the mans has destroyed many peoples lives and does not care while he sits in his glory on TV spewing hate. I never said i HATE him, I leave that sort of rhetoric to the professionals, Im sure he would hate me.

Al Sharpton isnt doing the investigation, The police are. All Al's doing is making more of a name as a hatemonger for himself, Not saying too much for him being a pastor when all you preach is hate.

P.S If you think he isnt a hater, ask the jews.

origen

Maybe he is wanting another Crown Hieghts riot to add to his street cred when he goes back to reporting "News" LOL!!

The Big Dog's back

 With all the hate mongers around, O'rielly, Beck, rush, hannity, levine, savage, coulter, why Al? They have all wieghed in on it, racially, of course. The daily caller, wash times, etc. Why not them?

FruGalSpender

"Ooops, and frugie too!"    i called it a day today and happened to read the comments. i see that big doggie tries to keep baiting me to respond. i can show proof from over the years how white racism towards blacks has declined while black racism against whites has escalated. obama also has to put his words in to inflame more racism.  i never heard of black gangs years ago until the crips and bloods started up and then you have all of these copy cats. no use for me to try to debate anything with big doggie. everybody makes fun of big doggie making french fries and hamburgers. nothing wrong with that. at least it is honest work for low pay. have you ever seen those people who work in fast food places? they really work hard for what little money they make. i like to poke fun at people. could this be big doggie at work trying to make a hamburger?   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2AtdP1t188  hey big doggie, quit horsing around and make a hamburger for the little kid. and keep your fingers out of the pie.

The Big Dog's back

Funny frugie you didn't mention white "gangs". You know KKK, Hell's angels, skinheads, nazis, Arayan brotherhood, hutari. 

FruGalSpender

"Funny frugie you didn't mention white "gangs". You know KKK," http://thecomingrace.blogspot.com/2009/11/ku-klux-klan-march-on-washington-dc.html kkk membership  http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/database/article_display.cfm?HHID=444  The three million members of the Klan after World War I were quite open in their activities. Many were small-business owners, independent professionals, clerical workers, and farmers. Members marched in parades, patronized Klan merchants, and voted for Klan-endorsed political candidates.  The Klan efforts were directed against African Americans, Jews, Catholics, and immigrants. 3,000,000 members? down to what today? 

 

The Big Dog's back

 I listed all those gangs for you and that is your response? And that is only a very minute listing.

origen

LOL!! Cannot answer a question Big dog? I answered you as to why i dont like him now answer mine, Does he want another crown hieghts riot? Whats his angle other than to build up his own hype at a dead kids exspence?

 Sharptons has 30 years of race baiting and mistaken identitys, Ruined people lives, Roused people to the point of killing others, and you still like him? For shame, For shame.

Oh P.S Most of the KKK were democrats, Seriously check it out "Southern democrats" Lincoln was a republican so before you go back in your "Wayback" machine check the facts.

The Big Dog's back

 Did you read my post oh illiterate one? I answered your question as to why he was there.

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 Oh and p. s. ori, are the white supremists Dems? How about the Arayan nation? 

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 Are the hutari Dems frugie?

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Maybe one day these "chappies" (nicest word I could think of) will get the hint that the hoodie has nothing to do with what happened.  Not just within the confines of this incident, but EVERYWHERE, what mattered wasn't the hoodie, but the young, violent moron under it.  The one with the overinflated sense of entitlement bestowed upon them by their elders and a cowardly society as a whole, the ones with an overconfidence in their abilities to get away with violence against their neighbors just because they're young, they're black, and there don't seem to be any credible witnesses.  Before Trayvon, after Trayvon, it's about who, or what, is under the hoodie.

FruGalSpender

"I listed all those gangs for you and that is your response? And that is only a very minute listing." i gave you a digital history web page. do you want me to look everything up for you big doggie? all of the information that you need to know can be found. white, black, purple, green hate groups can be found all over. my point is that white racism towards blacks is down while black racism towards whites is escalating. if the black hatred of whites keeps escalating, you will see escalation of white racism towards blacks. can we all get along or does one group of people want to keep racism alive and nuture it to grow?

The Big Dog's back

 frugie, you are the one who said you never heard of gangs until the bloods and crips.

origen

LOL!! Al Sharpton rising up out of the mash potatoes and gravy to save the day and single handedly start a investigation into what the police were already investigating!!! Awesome jump of logic there, Maybe his nobility can come and at least apologize for the death of Yankel Rosenbaum or the dragging through the dirt of Steven Pagones? As i have said before "The loading of the bovines according to race into thier loading shoots by the race shepards is easy " .

"I guess its hard to see what shoot your being loaded into if your the cow, Easy to recognize a race baiter and a hate filled preacher, You just have to learn from history"

Aryan :a member or descendant of the prehistoric people who spoke Indo-European. Pretty sure they arent even american/

 

                         

The Big Dog's back

 So are they Dems or not ori?

The Big Dog's back

 frugie said "can we all get along or does one group of people want to keep racism alive and nuture it to grow?" Which one group frugie?

FruGalSpender

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/ideology/black-separatist "Black separatists typically oppose integration and racial intermarriage, and they want separate institutions — or even a separate nation — for black people in America. Most contemporary forms of black separatism are strongly anti-white and anti-Semitic, and a number of religious versions assert that blacks — not Jews — are the Biblical "chosen people" of God. As Martin Luther King Jr. once said: "Violence begets violence; hate begets hate; and toughness begets a greater toughness. It is all a descending spiral, and the end is destruction — for everybody. Along the way of life, someone must have enough sense and morality to cut off the chain of hate."

FruGalSpender

don't give any ammunition to the white hate groups. they will die out like maggots that they are.

FruGalSpender

"Man must evolve for all human conflict a method which rejects revenge, aggression and retaliation. The foundation of such a method is love."  "Nonviolence is a powerful and just weapon. which cuts without wounding and ennobles the man who wields it. It is a sword that heals."   "Nonviolence means avoiding not only external physical violence but also internal violence of spirit. You not only refuse to shoot a man, but you refuse to hate him."  "Rarely do we find men who willingly engage in hard, solid thinking. There is an almost universal quest for easy answers and half-baked solutions. Nothing pains some people more than having to think."   "That old law about 'an eye for an eye' leaves everybody blind. The time is always right to do the right thing."   "The function of education is to teach one to think intensively and to think critically. Intelligence plus character - that is the goal of true education."   " The hope of a secure and livable world lies with disciplined nonconformists who are dedicated to justice, peace and brotherhood."   "We must develop and maintain the capacity to forgive. He who is devoid of the power to forgive is devoid of the power to love. There is some good in the worst of us and some evil in the best of us. When we discover this, we are less prone to hate our enemies."   "We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools." 

who was the man of these ideas?

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