County considers dumping Osborn MetroPark recycling site

Wiredmama222 wrote:

"So stop complaining and take responsibility.  Geeze, no one is asking for anything so huge.   You're not being forced, folks, your being forewarned that something isn't going to be there."

Erie County hasn't said anything about force...yet. The responses were in regards to donutshopguy's post suggesting that recycling be made mandatory and that everybody be forced to pay for it with increases to their water/sewer bills.

And no, unfortunately, that's not beyond the realm of possibility. In Cleveland, I understand the haulers actually use cameras and you end up being busted if you don't recycle, or dont' recycle enough! "Vee know vhat is besst for you, and you VILL do as vee say!" Sieg heil. <sigh>

Sam Adams......that is in Cleveland......been there lately.  They have trash litering their streets.  They force it because they use their streets like dumps.  I don't blame them for what they did.  Their recycle and trash suppliments were done out of necessity because of their problems.  You are so funny with how you write things.  In my head I heard Colonel Klink just then.  Very good.  LOL. 

To donutshop....and in Huron....I wouldn't live there if they PAID ME to, sorry but that place always seem so demanding.....if they are forcing you to do something you don't want then move away.  I detest anywhere that forces someone to be taxed against their will. 

we all complain about taxes, etc.  But we never seem to get up and DO anything about it.  What happened to things like "taxation without representation is tierany"?   or"  Give me liberty o give me death"?  Or forefathers uttered words like that and didn't let it go but we just complain about it and do nothing.  Why is that?  We sit back and b+tch and let them get away with it.  Why don't we do something to stop it?  I am willing to fight for what I believe in. 

 If anyone knows of organizations that collect cans, paper or cardboard please inform us. I will drive and drop off mine every week or month. 

I will not pay our government to recycle.

 County government discontinuing a service?

It's a government takeover!

This is worse than Hitler and Stalin combined!

Ain't that right FruSpender?

wanna know a way to stop the dumping of the big items?  you can buy a camera to set up for a few hundred bucks and review it when stuff is left..   then comes a fine, and boom, some additional revenue for the facility..  

@ wiredmama222.....your garbage service is $63 per month ?  WOW you are being ripped off BIG TIME !!! I pay $65.00 for 3 months

"County government discontinuing a service?"   if the government discontinues a service, then funding for that program must stop. discontinue a school, stop funding it. discontinue police protection, stop funding it. any discontinuation of any service funded by tax dollars must stop funding that service. like i mentioned before, i will throw some low value recyclables into the trash. I will make use of my compost pile for garbage and paper waste. aluminum i will save for others for free. why should I waste $5 in gas and wear and tear on my car to get $5 back in aluminum? anybody can have my aluminum for free. maybe some poor person or charity can use it. http://www.eriecountyrecycles.org/  "Ohio law allows Solid Waste Districts to fund their recycling programs by collecting a fee on solid waste disposed in landfills and transfer stations. The law requires Ohio landfills and transfer stations to collect fees on behalf of Districts and remit the fees monthly to the appropriate Solid Waste District. The Erie County Solid Waste District is funded by a $4 per ton generation fee that is charged on waste originating in Erie County. The fee is collected at any landfill or transfer station in Ohio where Erie County waste is taken. The generation fee will increase to $6 per ton on July 1, 2010. In order to fund educational programs and special waste reduction projects, the District also seeks out and applies for grant funds. The District does not receive funding from the county general fund. Neither can District fees be used to support county activities. Fee revenue can only be spent on District activities."  if service to recycle discontinmues, then funding with public money must end. i will improvise my own recycling plan and i don't want government intrusion into my recycling plans. i also don't feel that my tax dollars should continue to fund a service that have been discontinued. where will the recycling fees ($6 per ton) and grants go to? used to put on a carnival for entertainment as shown in the web page that i provided?

"@ wiredmama222.....your garbage service is $63 per month ? WOW you are being ripped off BIG TIME !!! I pay $65.00 for 3 months"   she sure is being ripped off. that is close to $200 per quarter. i use those 30 gallon bags for trash. depending on how many bags a month that i use, my monthly trash bill is only about $4 to $8 a month.

"I think frugal needs to live in Haiti where there are no taxes." hey big dog, at least i pay taxes. what about some of the people who pay no taxes but still get a tax refund and free phones with 250 minutes. i have been getting all kinds of junk mail from companies that offer free phones with 250 minutes per month with texting. that is over 4 hours a month in free time. how many emergencies consist of 4 hours per month? how about a free cheap basic phone that can only dial 911 instead of using those phones for entertainment purposes? no job, free phones, free food, free medical, free housing, no taxes and still get a refund in taxes to buy a flat screen television or drugs. i had no gripe with you big dog but i do now. maybe big dog should be shipped off to haiti.

Wiredmama you are a trip.  You detest anywhere that forces someone to be taxed against their will?  Where do you live that you actually have a choice in whether or not to pay your taxes?  I want to move there!

 How ironic. Just received an invitation in the mail to enter an agreement to recycle for only $4.50 per month from a private company. Just another $54.00 expense every year.

"Curbside pickup every other week."

'No more messy trips to a drop off center."

It's cheaper to put my recycling in a trash bag every two weeks. Good job Erie County. My trash volume just doubled to the Erie County landfill.

sorry, mistyped.....$63 every 3 months....not every month.  oops.  and I am not taxed against my will that I am aware of any more than any of you.  If any of you are so fired up about your taxes, why not protest them for real instead of belly aching about them on here. 

You all get on here and talk the talk, why not walk the walk.  None of you really protest for real, do you?  Do any of you get together and protest for REAL?  You come on here and talk about how beset upon you are and how these taxes are RAMMED down your throat and then turn off the computer and go ambly on your way doing nothing more and then pay them.  Why is that?  

If you are truly that upset why not do something about them?  Got to the EC meeting, or local meetings.

Why not take charge of what you don't like and do something instead of just complaining.  Why no show up at the local EC meeting and protest that which upsets you? 

I am curious about the answer to that? 

What do you think they would do if masses showed up in protest.....shoot you, jail you?  Have the tax police show up at our door? 

I am more than willing, are any of YOU?

"If any of you are so fired up about your taxes, why not protest them for real instead of belly aching about them in on here." over 400 people protested and filed relief from unfair property taxes by going through the board of revision. people protest high water and sewer rates. sometimes those in authority have you removed from a public meeting if one protests too much. protest by telephone and calls are not returned. i will use any methods available to protest unfair taxes and unfair property taxes. how many here are satisfied with the use of their property taxes, income taxes and government services paid for by your taxes. if your other avenues of protest go unanswered, protest here. hey wiredmama, are you satisfied with the stolen sandusky CHIP money? i think that there was over $3 million stolen. how about that former sheriff using a county credit for personal use? i get fired up over that because nobody seems to care. the sheep just follow along. maybe some people don't care if their rights are taken away. i will fight for my rights. why wiredmama do you protest against those who find these comments one way to protest? why does that bother you so much wiredmama? we live in the computer age now which provides much more ways to protest and to connect with like thinkers and like minded people. if comments bother you, do not read them.

"What do you think they would do if masses showed up in protest.....shoot you, jail you?"  yes, protesters have been shot and jailed. it is the american way now. remember kent state and that war in vietnam based on lies? how about the iraq war based on lies? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qszQ4RmwdZM

frugal.....when did you EVER show up at an EC meeting to complain about your taxes?  or at a commission meeting to complain?  When did you ever show up at the board of taxation with other to complain about anything with others in tow?  EVER? 

I would love for you to give me a time and place when you did that?  You are really good at  posting items from places like utube and stating facts about Kent State (a place my husband was at DURING those shootings) were you there then?  Do you even really know what that was all about?  I doubt if you even really know what happened other than what you read in a book.  Viet Nam....I doubt you know what that was about either, not really.  Iraq is another matter.  That was a lie. 

No, you have it all wrong.  I am not bothered by what I read here. Protest in word all you want.  You have a masters degree in it.  Sometimes you are off the mark a mile and a half, but you do protest often, and moreso than most.  I read what you write and am often amused that you don't often know what it is you are protesting against, but you DO protest.  I am not bothered by it at all. 

But what I am bothered by is that no one DOES anything about it.  There is a big difference between writing about it and DOING something about it.  That is what I am saying, so don't get the two mixed up in your head. 

Of course you run the risk of being put out of a meeting.  Or being arrested.  That should not stop you.  If you disrupt and do not follow rules, that is what is sure to happen.  But what you site in NOT the way to go.  You are not paying attention, which is often what you do. 

If you are willing to protest it in the written word, why not in ACTION?.  I am saying just that....ACTION.  So I guess I will....in action.  Just as before.  I have been there once, why not again.  I am not afraid to do so.  It didn't bother me in the 60's it won't bother me now.  I will stand up for my rights, and not just in written words, but in actions. 

So you do it your way....I will do it mine.  IN WORDS AND ACTIONS.  

"frugal.....when did you EVER show up at an EC meeting to complain about your taxes? or at a commission meeting to complain? When did you ever show up at the board of taxation with other to complain about anything with others in tow? EVER? I would love for you to give me a time and place when you did that? No, you have it all wrong. I am not bothered by what I read here. But what I am bothered by is that no one DOES anything about it. If you are willing to protest it in the written word, why not in ACTION"    wiredmama, i have records of my property tax revisions. i went to the finance department of sandusky to complain about my city income taxes, i protested in marches during the 1960s and marched in a demonstration around the county courthouse in more recent years. i tried to save the seneca county courthouse by demonstration and written letters. my phone calls to the county commissioners go unanswered or i am brushed off by short responses. i didn't like the way the federal government violated the rights of the hutaree militia so i try to drum up support about our rights. i don't like when a certain former sheriff got a free pass for misuse of a credit card. yes, i protest too much because i care. you on the other hand chastise quite frequently. is it because your husband works ar ford and makes good money and benefits and you think that you are better than me or others? while some of my friends have worked for ford, a few of them think they are better than those who drive a junk car, live in a not so nice house or don't take vacations to some nice places. you wiremama can afford your trash pickup and other luxuries in life. i and others can't. my question to you wiredmama is why you chastise others so much? you chastise me and others for online protests about our freedoms and those of others. wiredmama, you have already found the hutaree militia members guilty before all evidence has been presented to the trial. so wiremama, please tell me why you chastise me if my comments do not bother you?

"No, you have it all wrong."  i have it all wrong and you wiredmama have it all right? i bet that you think that your poop don't stink.

to those who are intrested in the hutaree trial and how the government twists things around can view some partial information here. http://www.mied.uscourts.gov/USAvStone/  other laws will be coming up that protests will be outlawed and those who protest will be sent to prison for 10 years because of vague laws. origen and others put out some good information and people should open up their eyes and minds to what really is going on. protesting online is one way to provide information to the masses. lame stream news holds back truthful information and puts out propaganda to the sheep.

 Come on Erie County. Lets be truthful.

The county need to shed some expenses. That mean services need to be cut. Thus, recycling is on the chopping block.

But, here's the problem. The EPA, which has more power than the county, has mandated public recycling. Cut recycling and the EPA will sue or the state will withold funding. 

County's solution : Curbside recycling paid for by the homeowners. The cost will be added to your water and sewer bill.

If you don't pay that bill, the county has the right to take away your home.   How sweet of a concept is that ?

 Wow, reading these blogs makes my head hurt.  Sandusky apparently has no clue about how to make money with recycling.  FSI does curbside pickup in Huron for a minimal charge.  Overhead is absorbed in part by them already being there to pick up your garbage.  Then they sort, bale, and resell for a profit (or they wouldn’t do it).  Erie county is using these large roll-offs which require more expensive pickup.  If they were smart, they’d start their own recycling center and have the drop-off at that location only plus curbside.  There are many municipal recycling centers around the US that create income for their regions.  It appears the county is contracting this out.  Are they even being paid for the material taken or are they just being charged a “waste removal” fee?

 Even the military makes money doing this.  http://205.153.241.230/P2_Opportunity_Handbook/7_I_A_1.html

Recycling is very important - stop and think about all the things you throw away during the day and I bet that over half of it will be recyclable.  Recycling isn't an evil thing and it's not very hard.  It helps to prolong the life of our dumping pits.  Also, buried trash does not degrade very fast (some things take hundreds and hundreds of years) and often times the liners on the pits leak with age.  I think anything we can do to stop filling up waste dumps is a good thing.  I don't like paying taxes or hidden extra fees but recycling is one thing that I don't mind investing in.  I will probably have children someday; I want to do all I can to leave behind a better place for them.  I understand that recycling also consumes a lot of fossil fuels, but in my mind it's the lesser of two evils - the trash has to go somewhere and the less we bury the better.