Local pit bull owners support bill dropping 'vicious' label

Lawmakers who don't know Zoey, a 1-year-old pocket pit bull, have unfairly labeled her as a terror and a threat.
Andy Ouriel
Feb 10, 2012


Lawmakers who don’t know Zoey, a 1-year-old pocket pit bull, have unfairly labeled her as a terror and a threat.

Pit bulls are the only dog breed in Ohio considered vicious upon birth. State law defines a vicious dog as dogs with the ability to seriously hurt or kill another dog or human.

A vicious label means pit bull owners must take special precautions in owning one. This includes keeping pit bulls on a 6-foot, chain-linked leash while outside and purchasing liability insurance in case the dog attacks someone.

The label, however, could soon vanish.

House Bill 14, which awaits Gov. John Kasich’s approval, aims to:
• Remove the reference of calling pit bulls “vicious.”
• Create three labels to classify all dogs, which would be assessed to them based on an individualpooch’s past behavior.

A county’s dog warden or a judge would determine how hazardous a particular dog — from a basset hound to a sheltie — really is by using evidence such as biting history to classify the dog.

Police dogs are exempt from being classified as dangerous, vicious or a nuisance.

Today, no such ranking system exists.

Other than pit bulls, no legal recourse exists to punish a dog owner if the animal bites or attacks a person, said Jean Keating, president for the Ohio Coalition of Dog Advocates organization. Keating helped author the bill.

If a pit bull is running loose, for instance, the dog warden or police will charge someone with a misdemeanor. If any other dog does something similar, the owner receives a minor misdemeanor, a lesser charge.

If a pit bull bites or tries to attack someone, they could be put down because of the breed’s vicious label.

No other dog breed would face such a harsh, unfair penalty, said Keating, who owns two pit bulls herself.

“If you get bitten by a dog, and it’s not a pit bull, there is nothing you can do about it,” she said. “Instead of confiscating and killing pit bulls, now we can identify a specific dog as a problem before it hurts someone.”

Read more on this story and about how one local family feels about the bill in Friday's Register.



if any dog bites someone, it isn't the police they will have to worry about, it is the impending lawsuit that will cover it.  You can bet on it.  But with a pit bull it is even worse.  that is just plain fact.  you see it in courts all over this country every day.  Just passing a law that SAYS  they are not of the vicious list does not make it so.  Ask the people who have been attacked, had their necks ripped out, their faces bit off or their pets killed by one.  then come back and tell me a law will change all that. 


For more information on breed specific legislation, and all things Pit Bull, see www.workingpitbull.com/ This woman tells it like it is, the good, the bad, and the ugly.

Over the past 35 years Diane has trained industrial guard dogs; dogs used in movies and commercials; and put over 60 training titles on her own dogs. (I might add this was before agility and other modern sports which offer dozens and dozens of titles for the same sport). She is a certified police K9 trainer and retired from 20 years as an animal control officer. In an effort to speak out on behalf of game animals everywhere, she became POST certified as an expert on dog fighting and has been an invited speaker on the subject of blood sports, the American pit bull and American game fowl, dog aggression and dog behavior for law enforcement in five countries. She has served as an expert witness on behalf of police K9 units and has been featured on shows like 48 Hours, McNeil/Leher, The O'Reilly Factor, Oprah and hundreds of news shows and articles.


well then they better update the law for discharging a firearm within the city limits. I for one will not give them the chance to get within 10 feet of me.



AWESOME!!!! It is time to start holding the people who TRAIN animals to be vicious or provoke them into aggressive behavior accountable, not a specific breed. This is a major step forward for pitties and their families everywhere! I am fostering one of the 27 bait dogs rescued from the Cleveland dog fighting ring right now. She’s a pitbull, and couldn’t be sweeter. And the male pitbull I already had when I brought the new one in to foster is being very nurturing and protective toward her. Valid scientific research (not charts put together by those with agendas on the internet) have proven that pitbulls are NOT “genetically predisposed” to behaving violently. Which is why this law is so important and why, as a society, we need to go after the PEOPLE who use animals as weapons.

Kottage Kat

Saw this on the news, and God Bless all who have taken these dogs in. 


Solve the problem------get Kats


You mean to tell me that if I am walking down the street with my dog,on a leash, and I happen to come within 10 ft. of you, you would shoot him? 

Good Luck with that, Mr Internet Tough Guy.

Find me one Pit Bull owner who talks like you do.

This is mine from another thread:

big_d says

think again says: If it comes down to me or mine. Your beloved breed will be dead indeed.

As it should be with any breed which would threaten you or yours.

Prevent the deed, regulate the breed!

Your catchy sayings suggest to me that any dog over 40# or so is capable of causing enormous damage.

You know, I once had no qualms about anything you say, I agreed with all of it.

Then one was given to me by someone who had adopted it from a shelter.

He brought it around a few times.

I told him "I want nothing to do with those killer dogs."

But you know what? The more I was around this dog, the better I liked him.

When his family situation changed and he could no longer keep him. I took him in.

Best thing I ever did. I learned everything I could about the breed, talked to owners, breeders, trainers,

And they all told me the same thing.

"They are the most social of dogs, they crave human contact."

"They want to be part of your pack."

"A bored or unsocialized pitbull is going to get into trouble"

So I had him neutered, which removed the tug of hormones and left him a playful active dog.

This is probably the most important thing you can do, because it will remove most if not all of the aggresiveness.

He also gets exercised 3-5 ntimes a day, winter, summer, rain, snow, day or night.

If you can't commit to that DO NOT GET ONE.

Peninsula Pundit

Did you see that another one of these vicious animals attacked a TV anchorwoman while on the air this week?  Just a couple days ago. The owner was right there.

The poor woman had to have facial surgery in a profession where your face is everything.

Name another breed of anything that reacts in this vicious, violent manner.

'The Owner', albeit most likely true, is not an acceptable answer.

Maintain the current ban.

Or, include them in the exotic animal bill pending in the Ohio house.

A hand-raised tiger is no more likely to attack than one of these 'slum-prestige' animals.


My Opinion is...

Peninsula - If you saw the video, the tv achor did everything wrong. First, you never just go up and pet a dog you don't know or, more importantly, doesn't know you - if anything you present your open hand for them to smell first. She just got down on the floor and started rubbing her hands all over his head. Second, you don't invade their personal space the way she did. Any animal who feels threatened will react. I've seen it with Bassett Hounds, German Shephards, Dauchshunds and even Chihuahuas. Don't blame the animal for the anchor's erroneous behavior. Funny, all the people who get bitten or attacked by any other breed of dog and we don't hear a word about it. Oh wait, the dog in question was an 85-pound Argentine mastiff - not a pit bull.


I just saw the video.. I agree with My Opinion ! This woman got on the floor to the same level of a dog she does NOT even know. ..By the way it was licking its lips...it seemed to be a little nervous to begin with. 


Peninsula....that shows your ignorance about the "pittie" breed...the dog that attacked that woman was NOT a pit ....it was an  Argentine mastiff.   NOT a Pit Bull.  If you watch the video she also had her hand on the dogs throat as she leaned over his back/shoulder, to a dog that is a THREAT.  Another breed that has done this is a Trained Police dog, a German Shephard (bit another news anchor).  You make a Threatening move towards ANY dog they will protect themselves. **** I did NOT buy my pit for "fear factor" I adopted her, she was the ONLY dog not barking.  I also adopted a "vicious" rottie 3 years later. 


Captain Gutz

The answer is simple. Arm everyone with their own personal pit bull, but first extract all their teeth.

And Sarah, watch your fingers willya?


Wow, big_d. You approached something you admitted you knew little about with an open mind and educated yourself. That's a pretty novel idea!


RIP Gauge..The most loving, loyal and eager to please Pitbull I will ever lose. )':

My Opinion is...

I have been around all sizes and breeds of dogs my whole life, from Saint Bernards all the way down to Dauchshunds - including Pit Bulls. The pit bulls were always very sweet and gentle. I had no qualms about having my infant daughter around them. I've only ever been bitten by a dog twice in my life, and both times the vicious dog was a dauchshund. Dogs are like children, it's all about how they're raised. Wiredmama,  by your statement I can personify the situation and say that: if one of your children attacked and killed a person then "[it] is just plain fact" that you and anyone unfortunate enough to share your bloodline must also be vicious and should have a law stating so. Please don't spout your ignorance on "facts" that don't exist. If you believe the facts you're stating do exist, please let me know where the facts are so I can see them for myself. Keep in mind, 500 years ago it was a "fact" that the world was flat and the the sun revolved around the earth. With time comes wisdom - get out of the dark ages!!


 pitbulls are NOT the problem. it's the OWNER! i have a pitbull and he is the biggest baby ever. only thing he will do is nibble at you but not bite.. you cant just judge one dog by the history of them.

Bada Bing

When my children were small back in the 80's we had Dobes...everyone thought then they were the demon dogs,well let me tell you that my 2 dobes loved the kids.  The kids would sit by them as they ate and would even feed them by hand. the dogs were very pertective over them and would sit in the yard and watch over them as they played. They were very loving dogs and loved the kids,and NEVER were angry towards them. My kids were lucky to have such loving friends as them.  And now that there older they to love all animals. They are what you make them!!!!!!

If you want to label a dog vicious, perhaps they need to track all hospital visits for dog-related injury no matter how small. The School For Veterinary Medicine said worldwide that award would go to the Cocker Spaniel, also in the top would be Yorkies, and Labs. Thanks again to backyard breeding. Maybe they too should be labeled vicious?   Best solution just lock up irresponsible owners. A dog (any breed) will be the direct result of their owner or bad breeding practices. Many have loyal pits that are well trained; others purposely make the dog aggressive or chain them in the yard and not socialize them. A breed manifests their true characteristics (and often negative) when they are not trained or socialized correctly, you have to channel energy into something positive and know the breed. Some people should not own any type of pets     A Pit did not attack the TV anchor lady, so you answered your own question. Would you put your face up to a large dog you just met? Try that with a Fila and let me know how it works out. Its still irresponsible, the owner should not have let her do that. I have no pits, but have always had guard dogs. Any well-trained guard dog will attack you with the same tenacity and destruction. Good luck double tapping a charging dog between the eyes.

The ONLY dogs I've had any problems with on my daily walks are a couple of pit bulls. I like dogs and have no real fear of them, but I can honestly say that it's terrifying when one of these very strong and aggressive dogs is charging you! And yes, I understand entirely the man who says he'd shoot. I'm not sure what else you CAN do under those circumstances.

But I'd point out that those dogs (there's a pair of them in the area in which I live, owned by different people) were running around loose. I'm not blaming the dog for being out and about. THAT'S irresponsible ownership! Be that as it may, an attack because the dog is vicious or just freaked out wouldn't and couldn't happen if the animal was properly confined.

Peninsula Pundit, the incident you mention concerning the news anchor who was bitten by a dog on live TV doesn't involve a pit bull. The dog was some kind of a mastiff. (As an aside, I'd note that the idiot anchor put her face right in the dog's face — he was loving the attention until she got stupid.)

nosey rosey

Most people who think they are experts on pitbulls probably wouldn't know one if they saw one.  There are lots of breeds that get lumped into the "pitbull" standard.  I once got out of the car at Pet Supplies Plus with my boxer when I heard a mother call her children to the car because of the "pitbull".  Really???  Obviously she was someone who get scared by the media frenzy and knew nothing.  She was doing a huge disservice to her children by teaching them that bigotry is ok and all dogs with a certain "look" should be feared.   People on here who are trying to perpetuate the myths of the "pitbull" are unfortunately very ignorant of dogs and dog behavior.  For the record - I do not own or know anyone who owns a pitbull.  But of the ones that I have met in passing, there wasn't an aggressive one in the bunch.




PLEASE say you are sorry for your inability to read a news story and get the correct breed of dog. It was an Argentine Mastiff that bit the news anchor!

Your "pitbull" comment was just more of the same, ignorance!


What ever breed of dog people choose to keep as a pet is their own business.  That said if you let it run loose outside you should be prepared to pay for any harm your dog might cause or any harm that may be caused to your dog.


OK! You love your PitBull. You make all kinds of unsupported lame excuses. Here are the statistical facts from dogbite.org for 2011:

2011 statistics 31 U.S. fatal dog attacks occurred in 2011. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 650 U.S. cities, pit bulls led these attacks accounting for 71% (22). Pit bulls make up less than 5% of the total U.S. dog population.2 Notably in 2011, adult victims of fatal pit bull attacks more than doubled the number of child victims. Of the 22 total pit bull victims, 68% (15) fell between the ages of 32 to 76, and 32% (7) were ages 5 years and younger. The year 2011 also marks an increase in pet pit bulls killing their owners. Of the 8 total instances this year in which a family dog inflicted fatal injury to its primary caretaker, the dog's owner, 88% (7) involved pet pit bulls. Together, pit bulls (22) and rottweilers (4), the number two lethal dog breed, accounted for 84% of all fatal attacks in 2011. In the 7-year period from 2005 to 2011, this same combination accounted for 73% (156) of the total recorded deaths (213). The breakdown between pit bulls and rottweilers is substantial over this 7-year period. From 2005 to 2011, pit bulls killed 127 Americans,3 about one citizen every 20 days, versus rottweilers, which killed 29; about one citizen every 88 days. Annual data from 2011 shows that 58% (18) of the attacks occurred to adults (21 years and older) and 42% (13) occurred to children (11 years and younger). Of the children, 62% (8) occurred to ages 1 and younger. 2011 data also shows that 39% (12) of the fatal incidents involved more than one dog; 26% (8) involved breeding on the dog owner's property either actively or in the recent past, and 6% (2) involved tethered dogs, down from 9% in 2010 and 19% in 2009. Dog ownership information for 2011 shows that family dogs comprised 65% (20) of the attacks that resulted in death; 74% (23) of all incidents occurred on the dog owner's property and 29% (9) resulted in criminal charges, up from 15% in 2010. The states of California and Texas led fatalities in 2011, each with 4 deaths; pit bulls and their mixes contributed to 88% (7) of the 8 deaths. North Carolina, New Mexico, South Carolina and Virginia each incurred 2 deaths.      

I know, these dogs do no harm. Their wonderful and I am a ^&tch but I didn't compile these FACTS and I don't want to argue about it. You can't argue facts!!!!

My Opinion is...

That's really funny, SarahTonin - I wanted to see where dogbite.org got their statistics so I typed the http://www.dogbite.org/ into my address bar and it comes up with a GoDaddy ad page saying "Want to buy this domain? Our Domain Buy Service can help you get it". For those of you not associated with webhosting, that means that the domain "dogbite.org" is available because it's not in use! How can you get statistics from a website that doesn't exist?? I even tried dogbite.com and it's just a series of pretty pictures - no word content at all. Care to try again, Sarah??


My OpinionIS said "Care to try again, Sarah"

Yes, I do! This is what I mean by those who love Pits will try to argue with anyone about how sweet their little puppy poo is. So you want to argue with them about where they got their statistics ... Uh OK! As a matter of fact, I want you to go out and get a couple more Pits because the FATAL attacks are mostly against their masters, according to the statistics that I quoted fro DOGSBITE.ORG.

Yes, Sarah's finger slipped and missed the "S" in DOGSBITE.ORG. Then again, anybody familiar with the web and hosting would realize that such a mistake could easily be made and they would have Googled "Pit Bull Statistics" and my heavens, there are pages of statistics on Pit Bulls and how dangerous they are! DOGSBITE.ORG is just the first one that pops up.

I would have gone back and edited my last post but the "EDIT" button disappeared from my post. Somebody at the SR tell me why I can't correct my typing eror on that post?

Well then take into account all bites regardless if fatal or not. Chihuahs have biting instincts, as do Russells, and Cattle Dogs. Hell lets label them all vicious. Get on any credible American Cocker Spaniel website and you can see warnings those dogs are the top biters; a Spaniel with “rage disorder” is more unstable than a pit. Surveys of dog owners that get bit by their own pets put the above dogs along with Labs on top of the list of biters. There is an interesting US study from 79-98 about dog bite fatalities, yes pits lead the pack but you will be surprised that otherwise docile dogs are in there also.   This is nothing more than cynophobia based on media hype. Your more likely to be mugged by a real “animal” especially in Sandusky.


Re:any dog bites someone, it isn't the police they will have to worry about, it is the impending lawsuit that will cover it.

How much do you think you could get out of most pit bull owners?

Wish in one hand and put their assets in the other and see what you have. Most of the pit owners don't have a pit to hiss in.

u can't get blood out of a turnip, get bit, ur on ur own.

it is what it is



I was sitting back reading the comments and the ignorance about the breed of dogs makes me have to say my peace. 

I don't care what dog you personally think is vicious.  Although there are some that are biters no matter how you train them. Anyone can train any dog to be vicious.  Just because my dog, a mutt, is a big baby with me does not mean that anyone on the street can come and pet him.  I have people ask me all the time if they can pet him or does he bite?  My answers are these, "No you cannot pet him.  I don't know if he bites.  He doesn't bite me but I cannot guarantee that he won't bite you."

Pundit, the dog that bit that anchor woman was an Argentine Mastiff that are from Argentina, South America and you cannot blame the dog or the owner.  If I was to bring my mutt to you, he doesn't know you and you don't know hiim, would you get down in his face and not expect to be bitten?!  Seriously?  A dog that she doesn't know and he doesn't know her and she's going to get down in his face??  I won't say she derserved to be bitten but anyone with a brain and understand dogs knows you don't get in a strange dogs face!!

And just for sh**s and giggles the  American Pit Bull Terrier, The Ameican Staffordshire Pit Bull Terrier and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier are all the same dog...the Pit Bull that is of English and Irish origins...just saying




People don't buy a pit because it's cute.

People buy a pit for the fear factor.



 I hope we don't read about this lovable puppy chewing up that newborn in thier house. just sayin'


 @ SarahTonin, I get what you are saying, your position on this is abundantly clear, but lets face it , BSL's are going away, and with good reason, they target one species of dog. I'm not out to change your mind, it seems pretty well set, and most of the time your posts are well thought out. I'm not given to bombastics like "OMG all pitbulls are evil", or "my bullies would never hurt a flea, and they poop flowers", as always, the truth is somewhere in between. I'm not going to repeat everything I said about pit bull ownership in previous postings now, any one who reads what I write knows I'm no apologist for the breed, I believe in responsible ownership, and spaying and neutering, and that there are way, way too many of this breed running around, due to poor ownership. However if you do the things I have outlined, you will have a rewearding experience, and will find them a great pet. There is really nothing more for me to add.


to my opinion is:   your name says it all.  It is your opinion and you can probably state as many statistics supporting your point of view as I can mine.  That does not make either of us an expert. 

However, what I said, if you had read it CORRECTLY, was that if ANY dog bites someone it is the impending lawsuit that will cover it and not the "vicious dog" law. 

Unfortunately, courts take a dim view of cases where pit bulls are concerned...a fact, not fiction or dreaming or "dark ages" thinking.   And when they rule, they take the breed of the dog into consideration.....pit bulls do not fair well in court cases. 

So I am not rapping against your dogs her, madame, but simply stating facts as they appear each day, widely stated around the country in court cases near and far. 

I don't make the rules.  If I did, the world would indeed be a much different place. 

Unfortunately for you, I am far from ignorant  (although you are certainly entitled to your inaccurate opinion just the same....lol)   

I may seem to come from the dark ages, but just because I am old, I am not THAT old....lol..   It just appears to you that I am.  LOL.  


@ Kimo says: People don't buy a pit because it's cute.

People buy a pit for the fear factor. 

I did not buy my pit bull, i adopted him.

I kept him because he makes me laugh and he is a great foot warmer.

All my grandchildren adore him, and he adores them.

Yup, must be the fear factor.


I keep seeing comments on any dog can bite.  And they all can.  But with some dogs I think it is referred to as being ripped open, torn apart.  Those are the dogs that need to be closely watched.


Why would I want to extract all my teeth?

Clarity, sonny, 

You ain't got it.




Captain Gutz

Confidential for big_d only:

Arm everyone with their own personal pit bull, but first extract all  of those pit bulls'  teeth.

Cognitive linguistics skills, pops. You aint got 'em. 

PS You probably DON'T want to extract all of your teeth, but I' be okay with you doing so.



I like that.  You cant tear anyone apart without any teeth.  That means 70% off the people in Sandusky would no longer care to have a Pit.  The ones that should not own one in the first place.


Here's a terrific analysis of the behavior of the dog rescued from an icy lake, who bit a Denver anchorperson on live TV 16 hours later. Superb, detailed discussion of body language and stress:


Excellent blog link included as well, regarding the actions of the owner and news crew:




Could there be more to this story?



Ever notice dogs like "Pomeranians" and such that were bred for royalty dont bite quite as often? (They must be sensable conservitives, Unlike the Liberal "Pit Bulls"(You know that those inner city dogs would vote democrate))

(Here Tax, Here boy i started the liberal bashing)



Baby Girl Killed by Family Dog October 09, 2000   The dog was a pomeranian.....

To SarahTonin & MyOpinion is:  The website is http://www.dogsbite.org/  Not dogbite

Really strange things happen, I guess.  I never had the "edit button" disappear.

BW1's picture
SarahTonin : OK! You love your PitBull. You make all kinds of unsupported lame excuses. Here are the statistical facts from dogbite.org for 2011:

Those statistics are from an organization with an axe to grind, and our worthless.  Misidentification of breeds involved in attacks is rampant.  Any time police want to cast a dog in a bad light in a report, they say it's a pit bull.  In several cases where police shot family pets, where they had no business even being on the property (such as a drug raid where they got the address wrong by a couple blocks) the police said in their reports that the dog was a pit bull, to cover their behinds.  I have first hand knowledge of an animal control officer, who should know breeds better than most, referring to a purebred, AKC pedigreed Labrador as a pit bull in a report of a barking complaint, because, when he was attempting to impound the dog, it slipped its collar and ran off.

The genetic difference between different breeds of dogs is comparable to the difference between people of different races.  Even if all the scary pitbull statistics presented here were fully legitimate, they would not represent as strong a correlation as the link between race and violent crime in humans.  The logic behind breed specific dog laws is no more sound than that behind race-specific criminal laws.  Do you really want to rely on that?


kimo, very good question. See my post directly below yours for a detailed response. It is actually the DOG that was the victim of humans, once again, who made very poor choices. And yet....again....the dog and the breed's reputation....will pay the price. The owner was irresponsible to begin with. The dog had been traumatized and was not properly treated. The news crew sought to sensationalize the story. The owner was irresponsible yet again. The news anchor--a dog owner herself who should have known better--made extremely poor choices in dealing with the traumatized dog, in spite of the signs the dog was showing signs of being fearful and under duress. When the dog reacted--a totally normal response to the chaos going on around him--suddenly he is a monster. As humans, we set these animals up for failure, and then threaten to destroy them when they fail. Explain the logic behind that to me.

For the record, “reconstructive surgery” can mean as little as having a plastic surgeon come in to do the needed ten stitches to avoid leaving a visible scar. If she was mauled to the point of losing half of her face, I’m sure that would have been part of the story.

To those who think that Pomeranians, Chihuahuas, Yorkies, or other small dogs don’t bite or act aggressively, watch a few episodes of The Dog Whisperer. Those little dogs can be nasty. Cesar Millan addresses it often, stating that due to their small size, they are often more aggressive to overcompensate. It’s just that when they constantly harass people, cause friends/family to become fearful, and yes, even bite, it doesn’t sell papers or make for great nightly news lead-ins.


@ What the Heck: ' I hope we don't read about this lovable puppy chewing up that newborn in thier house. just sayin'' 

I'm gonna take a guess and I may be wrong, but you have not interacted with a pit.  My son has a Pit  and a four month old baby...the Pit is protective over her whole family and house.  She's a big baby UNTIL SHE FEELS HER DOMAIN AND FAMILY IS BEING THREATENED!! ie someone walking into the house without knocking, someone hanging around the house outside that should not be there and people that she gets a feeling about and does not like.

She has never looked at my grandbaby as a snack, she has never attacked another animal, and she has never attacked or bitten a human. 

The problem that I see is that people who should not have a dog in the first place gets a pit.  I agree that it is for the fear factor because alot of people are afraid of pits.  They train the dog to be vicous and when the dog bites someone and they have to destroy the dog. they want to cry my dog my dog.  If they would train their pit properly they could control his every move.  

It is people like this that gives the pits a bad reputation.  If people would listen to pit owners that are responsible owners (they know their dog better than anyone else) the pit's rep might get a little better. 


http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-myths.php  which ones are myths and which ones are factual?


OMG! What a fun story. Pit Bulls, the gentle giants of our society  wooof !

FruGalSpender ... They are all MYTHS! and you will see everyone of them used below to explain why Pits are such nice doggies. If you bother to actually read the page, you would not have asked that question.

CaptainGutz ... Yes, my typing is tough these days. I was petting a Pit and it bit my left hand. That's why I missed the "S" in DOGSBITE.COM.

BigD ... Actually I am an extreme dog lover. I've been around dogs all my life. Dated a few too! When I die I want to go to doggie heaven beacause of the quality of the souls that I know I'd meet. Besides, going to human heaven would be frightening with the likes of what I would meet there! I could start naming names but this is not a political comment! Human heaven should have self distructed by now because they probably would have voted God out!

BW1 ... Oh I see. Now we argue with statistics because those who compile them are stupid! OK and dogsbite dot com has an axe to grind with     Oh my heaven.  Get another Pit for yourself. You deserve one!

I can just see the picture now. I'm having a great day skiing in the Swiss Alps and my ski breaks and I fall and break my ankle. Two hours later, slowly freezing to death, I look up and here comes a BIG PIT BULL, with a keg around it's neck, right at me. Uh huh!



Re:kimo, very good question.

We know about the dog's pedigree.


Peninsula Pundit

Pit Bull = Ghetto Prestige.

That's the only reason these dogs and those like them are kept.

Take a pic of your dog, then go outside and take a pic of your domicile.

Post it here.

Case closed.

PS to Mutley: Isn't that the same 'threatening' position the anchorwoman did, put her head down by the attacking cur? I'm sure the little girl knows all the innocent moves she might make that this killing machine would take for a threat. Next week headline,'Little girl undergoes reconstructive surgery after vicious pit bull attack'.

There, no one has to worry that I got the genus/species wrong. A cur is a cur.

A bullet to the head is the best treatment for 'em.


Pundit says:  Pit Bull = Ghetto Prestige.

That statement is just pure ignorance. 

So if my son who has a Pit, lives on the east side of town, and owns his own 4 bedroom home, for whatever reason moves to your neighborhood....it would still be ghetto prestige?





Michigan 2009: A 5 year old family pit bull jumped up on the bed where a one-year-old boy was standing, with the parents nearby, and supposedly without warning started attacking the victim, the attacks being directed towards the child's head, and the dog would not let go. The father killed the dog by shooting him eight times with a 45 caliber handgun. Neighbors say the dog was aggressive by nature and were afraid to walk by the house on certain days, but family members told police that the dog had displayed no signs of aggression prior to the incident, and no previous attacks on humans by this dog were on record with animal control. In Eastpointe on April 22.

Let me see, but family members told police that the dog had displayed no signs of aggression but the neighbors said they were afraid to walk by the house on certain days.

you guys are fooling yourselves. no insurance problem no law suit but pleanty of punishment on this one.


 SmithBrothers..The owners probably didnt even KNOW the signs to even notice them. The dog hadnt bitten anyone, cause it probably was allowed to do anything it wanted to..and had no need to. You know..King of the House..allowed on furniture, (obviously, beds) walking through doorways BEFORE his human family, begs for food and attention and gets it right away without WORKING for it...and so many other things  they may not have known to show weakness,on their part. The CHILD was probably on the DOGS bed.(in the dogs mind) Sad !



Because no one is taking the time to look into their history and understand the Pit. They were not bred to be killers like people use them for today.  They were family pets; they were working dogs, like the shepherd, the lab retriever (which is also considered a 'pit bull type' dog).


After all that has been written about the Pit Bull breed, the links to the history of the dog, right here in this forum, WE HAVE THIS KIND OF COMPLETE LACK OF KNOWLEDGE, in fact, WRONG INFORMATION ABOUT THE PIT BULL from somebody called "seenocolor".

This has to be a troll! Maybe I should be laughing.

THEY WERE BRED TO BE KILLERS! They were thrown into Pits to kill Bulls thus the name PIT BULLS, They don't know the front from the back of a sheep or cow and if they could find it, they would kill it!

Now that seenocolor is laughing his/her bupkis off, I'm going to take a pill. Just rediculous!


MYTH: The pit bull was bred for dog fighting only.

Fact: The history of the pit bull far predates the time when bans on bull baiting caused blood sport fanciers to turn to fighting dog against dog. The very name "bull" or "bulldog" gives us the clue as to what the original purpose of this breed was.

Far back into history - too far for us to see - man had bred dogs for gripping large game like boar and bear. From these dogs developed the Butcher's Dog, or Bulldog. The bulldog was an animal from 35 to 80 pounds, long of leg, sturdy in body, athletic, with a strong head and muzzle. The pit bulls of today descend directly from these animals.



And for your information I am not a troll.  I am a college graduate with a Masters in Social Work, thank you. So before you start name calling, you should think about the person on the other end...they may be way smarter than you think.

I'm not from here; I'm a Memphis person.  I should have listened to my parents when they told me that small town people have closed minds....I'm out.


seenocolor  ....  Well, excuuussse Sarah! So you're from Memphis with a collage digree and hold a Masters in Social Work? Do you have all of yore teeth?

I don't think that anybody around here said that Pits were bred for dog fighting only. According to the Wikipedia the breed was developed around the 1900's in the British Isles for participation in BullBaiting from whence it's modern name has been derived. That information was posted, with links, early in this story.


 According to a study by the Michigan State University College of Law published in 2005, in the United States, dog fighting was once completely legal and was sanctioned and promoted during the colonial period (17th century through 1776) and continuing through the Victorian era in the late 19th century. The early 19th century saw the development in England of the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, first imported into the United States ca. 1817. 

Seems like people have been ruining the reputation of dogs for years. Guess what ? I bet they weren't LIBERALS, either..Lmao



I beg to differ, The same as lincoln was a republican the dog owners have changed also, If Tax was around he could explain it better. Liberals own Pit bulls because they like gun control but love nature (Theres somthing about the unions having them for guard dogs but im not too sure about that after a bunch of them ate hoffa, Or was that pigs? Either way liberals these day like pit bulls) Its natures .44 magnum (the english mastiff is natures .445 Casull)


Idiot. They were not thrown into pits, they were not trained to kill bulls. Put on your hat, your stupid is showing through.

Staffordshire Terriers bred in England and mixed with bulldogs (hence the bull refenence). Transported to America and recognized as the American Staffordshire Terrier in the 30s. 

Lived it


They where bread to be work dogs with the Bulls,not kill them. If they showed any sign that they would hurt the  Bulls or any Human, then they where put down. PLEASE stop spreading Info that is WRONG. It only hurts the breed. The Pit part of the name did not start until people starting fighting them in a PIT ! There are people out there who are inbreeding these dogs for MONEY & that is why there is such a problem with them. There needs to be a law about this,just like there is with HUMANS not breeding with there own KIDS !!!!!!!!!!!


Re: pits get bad rap...

Maybe cause millions drug dealers own them for guard dogs?

Most of the time, the owners pedigree is more interesting than the dogs pedigree.

And let's not forget Mike Vick. His pedigree was more interesting than the pits he owned.






I think he is trying to say the answer to your question is YES



Where is dicktracey when we need him?



   I know that I always preach for less government but the Pit Bull law was passed for a reason.  Until I see statistics fro before the bill was passed and after I'd say leave it alone.  I always raised and had dogs but the worse kind of dog is one that barks because if it has bitten it should be dead and the ownere severely charged.  I'll never be bit "again" by a dog, police, guard or otherwise.

Super Judge

Most Pit Bull owners are liberal.


keep your pit bull inside your house. put a muzzle on that dog when in public. i have read up on this breed and found that most people who defend this breed will repeat and rehash the same old crap. ask the owners of a pit bull how they feel after it killed their baby or child. http://17barks.blogspot.com/2011/05/great-moments-in-pit-bull-history-march.html  A Pullayup, Washington couple who have so far gone unnamed in news reports were hospitalized after being mauled by what they claimed was a mountain lion. Wildlife agent Bruce Richards visited the hospital to record the testimony of the victims as part of his investigation of the attack. Richards then took a tracking dog, Mishka, to the couple's home in an effort to locate the mountain lion, but no trace of a mountain lion could be found. Instead, Mishka led Richards back to the house. They encountered a white pit bull, with the dried blood of the victims on its coat, lurking there.     now why would this couple blame a mountain lion? this couple needs to go to prison for telling lies and the expense of looking for that mountain lion. what is wrong with these people? anybody know who the unnamed couple is? they need to have their mug shots up for all to see.


Most Pit Bull owners are liberal.    where is taxpayer?


http://www.opposingviews.com/i/topanimalrights/pit-bulls-6-times-more-likely-attack-their-owners?page=15  Out of 143 Pit Bull attacks, 19 (13.3%) involved attacks on the owners

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SarahTonin : According to czechurself the AKC is a non-biased organization. Sure they are! They also classify Long Haired and White German Shepherds as "faults" and these dogs are neither able to be registered as such nor participate in AKC "best of" events, despite their popularity!

What's your point?  You seem to have a problem with basic logic.  The AKC is dedicated to the preservation of established breeds, and their competitions are designed as a means to judge peoples' success in that endeavor.  How does this establish a lack of objectivity in any way?  They are not on any crusade to eliminate long haired or white Shepherds (in contrast to your crusade to eliminate pit bulls) - such dogs simply don't have a role in their contests.  Your implication is logically equivalent to saying that the Pillsbury Bake-Off has a biased vendetta against grilled steak because they don't allow it as an entry.

BW1 ... Oh I see. Now we argue with statistics because those who compile them are stupid!

No, we question the veracity of statistics provided by those with an agenda, because those of us who are mathematically literate understand how statistics can be manipulated and distorted to serve an agenda.  We also question statistics based on data collected in an unreliable,  non-scientific manner.  Such questioning is a central tenet of science, in contrast to intuition-based hysterics.

Oh my heaven.  Get another Pit for yourself. You deserve one!

Because, you know, emotional exclamations and personal attacks are how adults make a point, right?

I can just see the picture now. I'm having a great day skiing in the Swiss Alps and my ski breaks and I fall and break my ankle. Two hours later, slowly freezing to death, I look up and here comes a BIG PIT BULL, with a keg around it's neck, right at me. Uh huh!

Which only further highlights your departure from any rational basis for your position.  In fact, back in the early 80's, St.Bernards were involved in a shocking number of unprovoked and unforeseen child maulings, because inbreeding for good temperament boosted the incidence of a recessive brain tumor gene.  Fresh bloodlines from Switzerland corrected the problem in a couple generations.  By the way, it's impossible to break an ankle in modern ski boots - maybe you should stick to what you know.


EVERY SINGLE breed of terrier was bred to be a killing machine.  So what?  Pits were bred for PHYSICAL characteristics that made them good fighters.  Those engaged in dog fighting spend long hours training their dogs to fight, because it doesn't necessarily come naturally.  Pit bulls are EQUIPPED to be killers, but then, all women are equipped for prostitution.


BW1 ... I suppose one can read many things into Mission Statements. Let's go directly to the AKC page and not have any slipped words, to quote the AKC:

"The American Kennel Club is dedicated to upholding the integrity of its Registry, promoting the sport of purebred dogs and breeding for type and function."

Let's look up the word "bias" -- to cause partiality or favortism. My point  is quite simple! When an organization states that one of their basic goals is a dedication to uphold the integrity of THEIR OWN REGISTRY, they admit to a lack of objectivity and therefore bias! How is that an assault on BASIC LOGIC?

Oh BW1, BTW, did you ever see an AKC registered Pit Bull? There aren't any because the AKC refuses to put "killer" on their type and function description.

Now as to emotional attacks. You call them emotional attacks and I call them humor, which you seem to lack! The fact that Pits statistically have a tendency to attack their owners is, or should be, somewhat funny when you tell a Pit owner to go get another Pit. Dry, yes. Sarcastic, yes. Emotional attack, not in 27 days but watch out for that 28th day!

As to skiing, maybe I lost my balance in a mogul and hit a tree. Where is your sense of humor? My comment was supposed to be funny! Can you picture a Pit with a barrel around it's neck, coming at you? Stick to what I know ... are your shorts on too tight?

Not sure how some of you make it through without the Xanax. Unless the study has controls in place and accurate data collection it is almost useless. I can say, passenger cars fatalities are much higher than pick up truck fatalities. Based on that statement alone you could draw 20 different conclusions. Pit bulls killed 12 people in 2011, lightening killed 26; lightening is twice as likely to kill you. That’s circular logic.   “Hand me my meds, I have to shovel the walkway” after all 36 people died shoveling snow last year. That’s three times the number of pit fatalities. Home depot should carefully screen each snow shovel purchase. Isn’t “basic logic” fun?

 gilamonster...My doctor will NOT give me any Xanax..or any other drug of the sort...I must say, days seem soooo long....Maybe I will go shovel some snow. lol


The American Staffordshire terrier, Staffordshire bull terrier,and the Bull terrier are all called pit bulls.   Aka, bull and terrier dog, pit dog and pit bullterrier, American bull terrier, and Yankee terrier.

Don't fall for the hype:  The AKC registry DOES register American Staffordshire Terriers (American Pit Bull Terrier), Staffordshire Bull Terriers and Bull Terriers. 

The difference in the names of American Staffordshire Terrier and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier were acknowledged by the AKC in 1972 to distinquish between the breeds (in the United States, breeders developed the dog heavier in weight than the Staffordshire Bull Terrier of England). 

The UKC recognizes the American Staffordshire Terrier as the American Pit Bull Terrier by name, and they also register them as well as the Staffordshire Bull Terrier and the Bull Terrier. 

My dog had been AKC registered and then UKC registered.

Tugg, an AKC registered Bull Terrier won the ACE award (Award for Canine Excellence) in 2011. 



Sorry, people that reference wiki (a user edited website) as a source of real information should have the computer taken from them and replaced with a chew toy and drool napkin.

FYI genius, the American Staffordshire Terrier was certified in 1936 by the AKC not the 70's... you are kinda just making up sh_t as you go along aren't you?


"Don't fall for the hype:  The AKC registry DOES register American Staffordshire Terriers (American Pit Bull Terrier), Staffordshire Bull Terriers and Bull Terriers."

Please show me here: www.akc.org/breeds/complete_breed_list.cfm where you see American Pit Bull Terrier or Staffordshire Terrier as a listed recognized breed.

Besides, everyone knows the UKC is the alternative when you get booted from the AKC, generally for being a dirtbag or slacker. You ever see a UKC event on TV? Ever seen the UKC Westminster show? no, you don't because the UKC is a joke, that's why. Full of AKC drop-outs and puppy milling breeders.


@GeorgeB    Word for word from the American Kennel Club website................

 Complete List of AKC Recognized Breeds

Affenpinscher Afghan Hound Airedale Terrier Akita Alaskan Malamute American English Coonhound American Eskimo Dog American Foxhound American Staffordshire Terrier American Water Spaniel Anatolian Shepherd Dog Australian Cattle Dog Australian Shepherd Australian Terrier Basenji Basset Hound Beagle Bearded Collie Beauceron Bedlington Terrier Belgian Malinois Belgian Sheepdog Belgian Tervuren Bernese Mountain Dog Bichon Frise Black and Tan Coonhound Black Russian Terrier Bloodhound Bluetick Coonhound Border Collie Border Terrier Borzoi Boston Terrier Bouvier des Flandres Boxer Boykin Spaniel Briard Brittany Brussels Griffon Bull Terrier Bulldog Bullmastiff Cairn Terrier Canaan Dog Cane Corso Cardigan Welsh Corgi Cavalier King Charles Spaniel Cesky Terrier Chesapeake Bay Retriever Chihuahua Chinese Crested Chinese Shar-Pei Chow Chow Clumber Spaniel Cocker Spaniel Collie Curly-Coated Retriever Dachshund Dalmatian Dandie Dinmont Terrier Doberman Pinscher Dogue de Bordeaux English Cocker Spaniel English Foxhound English Setter English Springer Spaniel English Toy Spaniel Entlebucher Mountain Dog Field Spaniel Finnish Lapphund Finnish Spitz Flat-Coated Retriever French Bulldog German Pinscher German Shepherd Dog German Shorthaired Pointer German Wirehaired Pointer Giant Schnauzer Glen of Imaal Terrier Golden Retriever Gordon Setter Great Dane Great Pyrenees Greater Swiss Mountain Dog Greyhound Harrier Havanese Ibizan Hound Icelandic Sheepdog Irish Red and White Setter Irish Setter Irish Terrier Irish Water Spaniel Irish Wolfhound Italian Greyhound Japanese Chin Keeshond Kerry Blue Terrier Komondor Kuvasz Labrador Retriever Lakeland Terrier Leonberger Lhasa Apso Löwchen Maltese Manchester Terrier Mastiff Miniature Bull Terrier Miniature Pinscher Miniature Schnauzer Neapolitan Mastiff Newfoundland Norfolk Terrier Norwegian Buhund Norwegian Elkhound Norwegian Lundehund Norwich Terrier Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever Old English Sheepdog Otterhound Papillon Parson Russell Terrier Pekingese Pembroke Welsh Corgi Petit Basset Griffon Vendéen Pharaoh Hound Plott Pointer Polish Lowland Sheepdog Pomeranian Poodle Portuguese Water Dog Pug Puli Pyrenean Shepherd Redbone Coonhound Rhodesian Ridgeback Rottweiler Saint Bernard Saluki Samoyed Schipperke Scottish Deerhound Scottish Terrier Sealyham Terrier Shetland Sheepdog Shiba Inu Shih Tzu Siberian Husky Silky Terrier Skye Terrier Smooth Fox Terrier Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier Spinone Italiano Staffordshire Bull Terrier Standard Schnauzer Sussex Spaniel Swedish Vallhund Tibetan Mastiff Tibetan Spaniel Tibetan Terrier Toy Fox Terrier Treeing Walker Coonhound Vizsla Weimaraner Welsh Springer Spaniel Welsh Terrier West Highland White Terrier Whippet Wire Fox Terrier Wirehaired Pointing Griffon Xoloitzcuintli Yorkshire Terrier

American Staffordshire Terrier History

....In any event, it was the cross between the Bulldog and the terrier that resulted in the Staffordshire Terrier, which was originally called the Bull-and-Terrier Dog, Half and Half, and at times Pit Dog or Pit Bullterrier. Later, it assumed the name in England of Staffordshire Bull Terrier.

These dogs began to find their way into America as early as 1870, where they became known as Pit Dog, Pit Bull Terrier, later American Bull Terrier, and still later as Yankee Terrier.

In 1936, they were accepted for registration in the AKC Stud Book as Staffordshire Terriers. The name of the breed was revised effective January 1, 1972 to American Staffordshire Terrier. Breeders in this country had developed a type which is heavier in weight than the Staffordshire Bull Terrier of England and the name change was to distinguish them as separate breeds. 

George this information for breeds list was found at the site you provided.  The information on history can be found at:  http://www.akc.org/breeds/american_staffordshire_terrier/history.cfm

Whether or not you recognize the UKC as a reputable registry, you would see that the UKC recognizes the AmStaff under the same name they originally recognized the breed in 1898, American Pit Bull Terrier.

Thank you.

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SarahTonin : Let's look up the word "bias" -- to cause partiality or favortism. My point  is quite simple! When an organization states that one of their basic goals is a dedication to uphold the integrity of THEIR OWN REGISTRY, they admit to a lack of objectivity and therefore bias! How is that an assault on BASIC LOGIC?

I'll spell it out for you, slowly, since this seems so difficult for you.  

The registry is the purpose of the organization. A mission to uphold that registry is not evidence of "partiality or favoritism"  - it simply means they have a mission, and they work to achieve it.  If my mission this afternoon is to wash the dishes, that doesn't mean I think the laundry is evil.   

With respect to what would constitute a RELEVANT bias, the issue at hand was accurate characterization of a given breed.  The AKC's mission in no way implies any bias that would be relevant to the credibility of their breed descriptions.  To use your largely irrelevant example, the AKC does not seek the elimination of long haired Shepherd, whereas dogsbite.org actively seeks the elimination of certain breeds.

Oh BW1, BTW, did you ever see an AKC registered Pit Bull? There aren't any because the AKC refuses to put "killer" on their type and function description.

Yes, in fact, on Thanksgiving Day two or three years ago, on national television, I saw one take best of class and best of show in the Westminster Dog Show.  The term "pit bull" is colloquially used to describe the Staffordshire Terrier and the American Bull Terrier; both are on the AKC registry.  It's interesting that you see fit to pontificate with such certainty on a subject about which you've demonstrated such ignorance.

Now as to emotional attacks. You call them emotional attacks and I call them humor, which you seem to lack!  The fact that Pits statistically have a tendency to attack their owners is, or should be, somewhat funny when you tell a Pit owner to go get another Pit.

First of all, since I'm not a pit owner, it's another display of ignorance and assumption.  Second, since no one in this discussion has wished harm upon you, it's represents a childish lashing out that is the epitome of an emotional response.  

As to skiing, maybe I lost my balance in a mogul and hit a tree.

Again, the conditions for the formation of moguls do not exist in proximity to trees, and one may be on a mogul, but not in one.  You seem unable to avoid your areas of ignorance. Is that why you're so invested in this issue - because you know so little beyond hysterical gut feelings?


Uh-oh             1of Helen Keller's Service Dog was a Pitbull.      Also a  Pitbull was the 1rst cannie to garner a combat award.   


"Walk with your face to the sunshine and youll never see your shadow" Hellen Keller


nosey rosey

People who are against any breed because of how they have been stereotyped will never be convinced otherwise.  But it would benefit everyone here to watch Westminster the next 2 nights.  Listen to the definition of each of the breeds.  Whenever it is mentioned that the breed requires a strong owner or someone who is not a novice to a particular breed, this means that the breed is willful and could present a problem if not raised correctly.  This could range from possible dog aggression, human aggression or not compatible with children.  They will also tell you that there is no such thing as a bad dog, just poorly trained.  Any breed can be trained to behave badly, especially a loyal breed who will do anything to please its owner. 


Just for fun......OMG ....The Little Rascals had a PIT BULL ...aka Petey.......Helen Keller had a PIT BULL.......The PIT BULL is the ONLY dog to have graced Time magazine 3 times......The #1 Customs dog, a PIT BULL named Popsicle......The RCA dog? A Pittie!..........Tige from the Buster Brown shoe ads.......President Woodrow Wilson had a Pitte and President Theodore Roossevelt too.  The Target dog from commercials was a Bull Terrier (labeled a Pit).  Dont forget Spuds Mackenzie he was a Bull Terrier too.

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3 yr old Natylee Murphee’s Aunt had a sweet precious pit bull.

1 month old Kamryn Billingsley’s family had a pit bull, she was killed by the gentle puppy while sleeping next to her mother.

12 yr old Nicholas Faibish’s family had two pit bulls, he was mauled to death by the beloved fun-loving pets.

10 yr old Greg Jones Jr.’s family had pit bulls, he was bitten on his head, face, throat, chest, arms and legs when he arrived home from school.

I could go on and on, but what’s the use, there is no cure for ignorance to those that choose to be ignorant.


So by your very logic, it's the breed, not the upbringing?

I humbly beg to differ. Also, I would appreciate if someone could show me the recognized AKC breed of "Pit Bull".  It's called an American Staffordshire Terrier, stop trying to demonize the stupid breed. I don't own one cause I like my dogs for hunting purposes, but for crying out loud, educate yourselves instead of being mindless sheep following the herd! 

There is no such breed as a "PIT BULL!"  Pit Bull is the name generally associated with the Am Staff that has been bred and trained specifically to fight other dogs. I know some Am Staffs that would pee themselves if you startled them. The thought of them being vicious by nature is laughable, the simple truth is any dog can be trained to attack and be violent... ANY DOG!



Punish the deed, not the breed.

Little girl survives Husky Attack.



Peninsula Pundit

These last 2 posts sums it up nicely:

What parent in their right mind would have ANYTHING, a crib, a bassinet, a high-chair, whatever, that could possibly inflict such harm on a child?

But don't have a second thought about owning one of these vicious breeds of dogs?

It shows the parent is more concerned about keeping up his/her 'street cred' by owning one of these dogs than they do being a responsible parent.  There comes a time in life when you have to grow up.

If you are one of these parents, please have the courage of your convictions to place your name here so we can report you for Felonious Child Endangerment. A look at the picture below does speak a thousand undeniable words about these killer breeds and the mouth-breathers who don't see the connection.

The responses from the killer dog lovers on this page also speak volumes. 'We don't care that this animal may attack us,our children or anyone in our neighborhood unprovokedly. We just wanna be 'cool'.'

That anchorwoman who was attacked had to have her mouth stitched shut.

Don't let me catch your dog loose in my neighborhood.

Bang,Bang, out go the lights, for sure. And when the cops come, I doubt I'll be leaving with them as I have rid my neighborhood of a clear and present menace. Well, the canine cop may have an issue, but they're a little bit weird, anyway.


My daughter's leg was bitten by an Australian Shepherd about two years ago. By most peoples' logic who have posted here, that breed should banned as well.  My friend's daughter was bitten in her face by a cocker spaniel. Cockers are notorious for biting children, yet there are no cries for them to be banned. By all means, punish the uneducated trash that turn their dogs into weapons. But banning a breed because a few dogs have attacked or killed is tantamount to banning guns because some one committed a crime with one, or banning cars because someone killed someone else with one.

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buttermaker :. But banning a breed because a few dogs have attacked or killed is tantamount to banning guns because some one committed a crime with one, or banning cars because someone killed someone else with one.

Actually, it's more akin to banning people of a given ethnic persuasion because some members of their demographic committed crimes, which is why it's so hard to reason with some of these people - they're breed bigots.

Buttermaker, one of the worst dogs I have ever been around was an Australian Shepherd, though no fault of its own. Owners thought it was cute and kept it in an apartment, never exercised it and wondered why it was spastic. Also know many with their Cockers, and they will lash out in a heartbeat.   Think again, beautiful picture now show us some of the kids who crack their skulls from falling off bikes, the ones that drown, die in fires because parents are too lazy to clean dryer vents, car wrecks, playground.  3o dog bite fatalities a year verses how many more injury/death for the above? Want me to post some for you?   Oh pundit, seems like an ant-establishment guy. He thinks you have the right to blow a big fattie on the way to work, and your employer doesn’t have the right to drug test you, but thinks you have no right to own a pit. I would trust my kids to the Akitas before trusting them to some dope smokin’ worthless hippy.   Ohh looky, my AK is so much more evil and deadlier than my 22lr bolt action; idiots

So very true patriot5. Unfortunately, most on here will not get what you are talking about. A shame they actually get to vote.

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Patriot5 – Post all the pics you like, it won’t deflect from the issue at hand.  According to your convoluted logic, because a child falls off a bike and cracks his head, it is acceptable to not err on the side of caution and allow children to be savaged by pit bulls.  As the responsible owner of a wolf hybrid, I acknowledge fully the increased potential for harm to others by owning this animal.  Why is it so difficult for you?


Why I'm fortunate to be from the farm & still live in the country.        Responsible dog owners know that: by law if your dog is on  my property & bothering my livestock I can kill it. Also trash that tried to steal quickly got owned.......don't need no stinkin alarm.     My beasts stay at home....as well they should. Un-oh.....ban cattle,         My neighbors got loose & almost caused an accident on the roadway......he could have got in trouble also.    Punish bad owners          not the breed.


Actually, my question regarding pit bulls getting such a bad rap is a link to an article by Cesar Millan stating exactly WHY it has come to be, over time, the breed is unnecessarily feared by many today. Sorry it isn't showing up as a hyperlink; just click on it for the article.