Zoning board gives approval to tourist rentals

A Curran Street couple received the OK to keep renting out their two homes to tourists.
Andy Ouriel
Jan 21, 2012

A Curran Street couple received the OK to keep renting out their two homes to tourists.

The five members from Sandusky's zoning appeals board unanimously approved a request from Ann and John Arnold, allowing them to continue renting their properties as vacation homes.

Previously, city officials told the Arnolds -- along with five residents living on or near Cedar Point Road -- they violated Sandusky's zoning code by letting tourists into their homes for a fee.

Board members rejected an appeal from all those involved in December to reverse the decision.

Recently, however, the Arnolds asked and received a special permit to keep renting out their Curran Street home.

"We gave them a conditional use permit," board member John Feick said. "It doesn't change the zoning law, and (the Arnolds) can use the permit for rentals."

Feick's decision came from the overwhelming support nearly 20 neighbors and community residents displayed during a Thursday hearing in City Hall.

Many spoke about why the Arnolds should be allowed to rent out their homes.

For one, the couple rejuvenated a street once infested with criminals and drugs, Cove Street resident Don Mather said.

"We had a deteriorated neighborhood," Mather said. "But we got people out of town investing in our homes, and now it's just a wonderful place to live."

Another reason includes the benefits city officials reap from the Arnolds' initial investment, city resident Bob Warner said.

"I have watched hundreds of thousands of dollars in construction go down there," Warner said.

Better homes also elevate property values. Nicer-looking homes also encourage people to come to Sandusky.

"They continue to do good things for the street and the city," Warner said.

The Arnolds began renting homes on the street 24 years ago.

John's motivation for sprucing up the street came from growing up in the neighborhood and wanting to stay there.

John's just happy this months-long saga has concluded.

"People want to live and stay down here because it's a great neighborhood," John said.

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Comments

The Answer Person

GOOD!

samiam

Why not let all of them continue renting with the condition that they pay the bed tax to the city on any rent received? 

jwt

I believe the zoning board should issue conditional use permits to all the home owners who want to rent their home to vacationers if their neighbors do not object.

my oh my

Along with this also comes different homeowners insurance too which I hope they have since they will be running this as a business at times....

 

 

 

 

tq402000

Not being mean but why even own a house in Sandusky in a town that is 50 to 60% rental property?I'm black and I will try to sell my house because Huron here I come!!!Really Sandusky really?Rentals are not the answer

Flip

 Good People + Hard Work Ethic = Better Sandusky  

BEHAPPY

You're kidding right??!!  Once again,  special treatment for John Arnold.  Why? 

For one, the couple rejuvenated a street once infested with criminals and drugs, Cove Street resident Don Mather said,  speaking of criminals,  is trapping cats and throwing them in the bay criminal activity?  Just curious.

I also agree with tq402000, why buy here in this town with nothing but rentals?

What about all of the partying that goes on at his home?   What makes you think people (that have also invested in this city) want to listen to that all of the time?  Is this the reason he gets special treatment on every issue?   Is it the people that attend his parties?   Why is he any different than any others mentioned in this story?   I would like to know of his connections!

I wish I would have known about this City Hall meeting with 20 people and community residents (i wonder who they could be?)

Maybe we are in of a petition from all others against this situtation??  Maybe a petition with names of people that are furious about his animal cruelty acts as well!

 

Darkhorse

The owners need to register their vacation home rentals with the city and the city needs to keep track of this kind of revenue including the owner's income tax revenue off the rentals.  If one can slide by the zoning, others will do the same.  It is not enough we have foreclosures to deal with in the neighborhoods, now we have daily and weekly rentals as if permanent rentals are not enough.  The city has gotten themselves into a bind and will now open the door for a lot of these homes to open their doors on daily and weekly rentals including Cedar Point.  When you can't get these vacant homes off the market, creative thinking becomes an option when it comes to renting. 

man4451

once again, here we have to many ordances, i dont see why we have to ask who we can rent to. if the owner is doing something wrong doesnt mean everyone is. i think governments make up these laws and never tell anyone so the police and court systems stay full?

Julie R.

If somebody is really trapping cats and throwing them into the bay has anybody reported it?

Blacktigress

 What about the unpaid rental tax, why didn't the register ask him about that? 

What about all the remodeling that was done ILLEGALLY? Why didnt the register ask about that? 

What about all those who modernized their homes and was sited by the city for not having permits, will they get their money back? Why didn't the register ask about that? 

Seems its not only the government that gives this man no accountability but also the Register. 

I would also like to know what if any criminal charges were against Arnold in the past, anything sealed? 

Captain Gutz

Blacktigress,

Why don't you look for Arnolds record yourself?

WhatTheHeck

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RD2

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peachestoo

In 1958 I was born into a house on Cove St. Growing up in that nieghbor hood was both adventurous and dangerous. As a kid it was great to be so close to the water; oh the fun we had fishing and swimming the summers away and  iceskating in the winter time. But I also remember the vacant lots that never got mowed and the delapidated boathouses and the run-down residential houses. It was'nt safe to venture out at night because the crime rate for that area was so high. Back then; being from the East side of town was not a good thing; people looked down on you as if you were "dirt". In 1982 I move out of state. Over the years I would come back home to visit my family which still lived in the same neighborhood and each time that I came home I would see CHANGE; the vacant lots had beautiful boat houses with living quarters in them; the old boathouses were either gone or replaced with nice docks or new boathouses; the run down houses had been rejuvinated. John and Ann Arnold had a vision, they wanted to be a part of this change. They started buying property on Curran St. one at a time they fixed them up into desirerable places to live. Others took notice of the improvements and they to purchased property and fixed the up and moved in. Today the once "old" nieghborhood is a wonderful place to live. My older sister lives in the same house that we were born into. My younger sister bought a house two houses south of that and is fixing up to live in. My brother lives on Curran St. just around the corner . When I retire I plan to move back to Sandusky and live in the same nieghborhood that I grew up in because it is now beautiful and safe thanks to my brother John Arnold, his wife Ann and all of the people that believed in them. My name is Randy Arnold and I am proud of John and his accomplishments and for standing up for what he believes in.

 

BEHAPPY

Been reported JULIER.    Fell on deaf ears.   We are still looking into it.

Thingsthatmakey...

Gee Whiz how in the world did this turn into a tirade on prescription pill usage?  Whoa...

Thingsthatmakey...

and btw...I don't know a single person addicted to pain pills.  Maybe you should reconsider the company you keep.

RD2

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BEHAPPY

 

RD2 says.................Forclosure, draging Elderly Women out of there homes because arnolds dont like there cats

 

 

FACT !
Taxpayer

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pntbutterandjelly

Are there any city or county "bed taxes" that must be collected, reported and paid? I am all for fair play as long as the decisions were based on the same idea AND...due payments (taxes) paid. Otherwise...the Arnolds' have an unfair (and illegal) advantage against other motels, hotels, b&b''s and law-abiding tourist accommodaions. NOT cool. Also (and i'm not clear on this) are there particular zoning mandates/requirements that go hand-in-hand with this type of BUSINESS (and a BUSINESS it is.).

SamAdams

I know that people from the City read these posts, so let's hear it: Why have complaints of animal cruelty not been addressed? I've seen them more than once and from more than one person. The LEAST you could do is talk to people and find out what's going on!

I recognize that zoning laws and City ordinances must be complied with, and it seems everything here is being done as it should be. But animal cruelty laws are laws too, and if Mr. Arnold is doing anything REMOTELY resembling what's been described here (and on previous posts), he should be punished to the fullest extent of the law (BEYOND the fullest extent, in my opinion).

So let's hear it, City employees: What's up? And why haven't you done anything about it?

Julie R.

@ peachestoo: I find it hard to believe that ANY street in Sandusky is safe anymore but that's beside the point. If it's true what other commenters are saying about your brother and what he has done to cats, your brother sure doesn't sound like a "wonderful"  person to me. Sorry, but evil is the word that comes to my mind. I also would be curious to know what is meant by "foreclosure and dragging an elderly woman out of her home." That sounds sinister. Would you happen to know what that means?  

peachestoo

@ Juiie R. John has never harmed an animal in his life! Thats a ficticious and vicious rumor. Prove it or shut up. As for your other issue, an eldery woman on Curran St. was removed from her house (BY THE CITY) for unsanitary living conditions and was institutionilized by her daughter. Some people blamed John for this. Again---VICIOUS ROMORS.

 

peachestoo

@ Juile R. Just to further clarify things the eldery woman that was removed from her home by the city was because she had @ 80 cats living inside her house and the citys animal control where trapping the cats and removed them from the area. Her house was eventually put up for pubic auction for any one to purchase. John & a neighbor bought the house and gutted the entire house because of the years and years of the cats pooping & peeing everywhere; I'm not sure what the status of the house is now.

Woody Hayes

Peachestoo:

Save your time, you can't reason with a wacko.

BEHAPPY

@PEACHESTOO You mentioned you moved out of state in 1882, how do you know what goes on at Mr.  Arnolds  regarding cats?   I do not start fictitious, vicious rumors.  Many of us know this to be factual.

mike05451986

good news!

shoreline dude

 

To BEHAPPY, You should change your name to UNHAPPY!! Everything you say is so negitive, It's a good thing you have Julie R. to agree with you because everyone who knows John and Ann know how hard they both  work and the lhe life  they built for themselves and the many friend's they both have. I have known John his whole life and also grew up in that  neighborhood and see how it has changed for the better.Your house is worth more because of all the people that stayed at John and Ann's came back and either bought and remodeled, or tore down and rebuilt. This is pretty much because they are good people and FUN to be around. See you @ the party friend's  P.S. Hi Randy

BEHAPPY

Ahh, a party "friend".  If you prefer to call the truth negativity that is your right.   

Julie R.

@ Peachestoo: First off, I have no bone to pick in this fight. I don't even know your brother or anybody else.

So if it's true that there were really 80 cats living in a house, I'm surprised there was never anything in the paper about it. Was there? Also, how did THE CITY remove an elderly woman from her home? I didn't know THE CITY had that kind of authority. Why also was the house sold at a sheriff sale? To do that the property would either have to be in foreclosure or back taxes were owed.

(Oh wait, sorry I forgot. In corrupt Erie County the courts can also force property with serious defects in the title caused by fraud to be sold at invalid scam sheriff sales through invalid scam partition actions and incorrect fraud preliminary judicial reports)

Woody Hayes

Here we go again, a man wants to rent his house and cleans up the neigborhood, and here comes the tin foil hat wacko spouting out about the court system and " Oh, they wronged me ". You still are a loser in the court system and still DISINHEARTED.

Colour_Scientist

Haters gonna hate. Behappy, you're apparently the only person that has knowledge of this animal cruelty. I've never heard a single person speak bad about John or Ann. You clearly don't know them or you would be very aware of the kind of people they are. Some of the most generous and thoughtfull people I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. In short, get a life and get bent.

BEHAPPY

You could not be more wrong.   I am not the only person who knows of their animal cruelty.   Far from the only one.   There have been several others to say the same here on the blogs at different times, look back at other stories.  There was another here in this story but they got deleted.  YOU, clearly do not know them or you would know of this.   But then again I'm sure he doesn't go "blasting off" that he does such a thing.   I have so much more I could say but I am refraining here.   Ask him about himself and his next door neighbor, to me, those are not what I call nice people, maybe phony.   I'm sure he will deny it through his teeth. Good day.

super fan

now my boys can goes in and welcomes the folks to the hood and make kissy faces to they girls and seends them home wit special souveneers and they be taken meds and yo

Julie R.

@peachestoo:  You said that the city of Sandusky removed an elderly woman who had a lot of cats from her house on Curran Street and the house was eventually sold at a sheriff sale. You said that Mr. Arnold and a neighbor then bought the house at the sheriff sale and then gutted the entire house........

Unless I'm reading it wrong, the auditor's website shows that Mr. Arnold and his wife own 5 properties on Curran Street ----- 4 single-family residences (meaning houses) and one Land Only ----- and NONE of them were obtained through a sheriff sale. The auditor's website instead shows that in 1987 Mr. Arnold obtained 3 properties --- land only ---- on Curran Street,  the SELLER was UNKNOWN and Mr. Arnold paid $0.00 for the 3 properties.

The 4th property on Curran Street obtained by Mr. Arnold and his wife was in 1997 and that was not obtained at a sheriff sale, either. The SELLER was a couple by the name of McCarty. 

The 5th property Mr. Arnold obtained on Curran Street was in 1999 and that wasn't obtained at a sheriff sale, either.  He also sure did get a steal on THAT one!  The Sales Data shows that a Frank Parzynski (wasn't he a doctor?) bought a house on Curran Street in in 1991 for only $43,000.00 but it doesn't tell who the seller was. It then shows that Parzynski as the SELLER then sold the property four years later (1995) to a Kathleen Parzynski, et.al. for $154,000.00. It also states that the SALE was INVALID. It then shows that in 1999 Mr. Arnold and his wife bought the house from a Kathleen Parzynski,et.al for only $62,000.00. (so if the SALE from the previous owner was INVALID and the issue wasn't resolved, does that mean Mr. Arnold bought property with some real SERIOUS DEFECTS IN THE TITLE?)

So what YEAR did the sheriff sale of the elderly woman's HOUSE take place? Just curious.   

 

Blacktigress

 its not about hate, its about JUSTICE

DID OR DID HE NOT TAKE OUT BUILDING PERMITS?

WAS THE WORK DONE BY LICENSED CONTRACTORS?

DID OR DID HE NOT PAY THE PROPER RENTAL / BED TAXES? 

The same questions go towards his neighbors, did they do things legally or not? 

 

HOW ABOUT IT S.Register? Why not ask city hall to provide the records on Arnolds  building permits and taxes. 

If he didn't, then what does he have on those in city hall or who does he know?  

sanduskysteve

It would seem that there are some unanswered questions surrounding this situation.  Wouldn't the building permits and such be public records at the city hall?

Julie did a good job - it does appear that there is more to that elderly lady's cat house than meets the eye as well.

I know nothing of this John person, but when the questions are asked and there are no answers - it does raise eyebrows - - - - -

Julie R.

@ peachestoo:  If the house of the elderly woman on Curran Street (who you said was forced out of her home by the city of Sandusky) was sold at a sheriff sale to Mr. Arnold and a neighbor, who did the 3 properties belong to on Curran Street ---- LAND ONLY --- that Mr. Arnold and his wife acquired in 1987 for $0.00 dollars from a SELLER listed as UNKNOWN?

http://erie.iviewauditor.com/Results.aspx?SearchType=Owner&Criteria1=JOHN&Criteria2=ARNOLD

I'm also curious about the property that Mr. Arnold obtained in 1999.  The SALE prior to it was INVALID yet when Mr. Arnold bought it ---- obviously to use as RENTAL PROPERTY ---- the Sale is stated to be VALID. Was that bought through a Sheriff Sale? It doesn't say it was but I know how MISLEADING online records in Erie County can be.  

Julie R.

@ peachestoo: If the elderly woman with all the cats was forced out of her home, stands to reason she sure never gave her consent for her property to be sold. So if her house wasn't in foreclosure and no back taxes were owing, how did Erie County go about selling her property at a sheriff sale?  So what was the YEAR of the sheriff sale, anyway, and how much did her property sell for? I believe that would be a matter of public record. Also, would you happen to know what the elderly woman's name was?   

Julie R.

There certainly does seem to be a lot of people  --- not only Mr. Arnold but also realtors ---- that are buying up properties in Erie County involved in invalid transfers at a substantial discount and using them as RENTAL PROPERTIES. Here's yet another one: (Click on the Sales Data) 

http://erie.iviewauditor.com/Data.aspx?ParcelID=42-01072.000 

 

 

sanduskysteve

Seems when the right questions are asked concerning this John person - everyone clams up and noone has the answers - there definitely IS something strange going on here.

BEHAPPY

Exactly

Julie R.

@ BEHAPPY: Is the elderly lady still living?    

BEHAPPY

No she is not.

BEHAPPY

My understanding she was put in a nursing home.   Most of her cats were let loose and now they are no longer around. Any guesses on what happened to them?

mrmorency

My understanding is that if a person is put into the nursing home, their assets are liquidated to pay for their care. I would assume that this woman was put into a county run nursing home. At that point the county (maybe not neccesarily through Sheriff sale) would sell her assets to pay themselves. I believe that preventing this is one of the advantages to a living trust, to ensure that if an elderly/sick person is put into a nursing  home they don't lose their homes, etc. This woman most likely didn't have a living trust, was put into the nursing home (per BEHAPPY) and then her home was sold to pay for her care.

Julie R.

@ BEHAPPY: So which one of the five properties, if any, does Mr. Arnold own now that belonged to the elderly woman? According to the comment by Mr. Arnold's brother, Mr. Arnold and a neighbor bought her house at a public auction, but not so according to the auditor's records. According to those records, none of Mr. Arnold's properties were obtained at a sheriff sale. But once again, that doesn't necessarily mean anything because ~ take it from one in the know ~ the auditor's records are very misleading. The records also omit a lot of information, especially under DEED TYPE. I don't know about Arnold's properties (a title search would have to be done) but I sure can speak for the Huron property. The UNKNOWNS listed there and the blank lines under DEED TYPE is nothing more than a cover-up for flat-out fraud and crimes against an elderly, incompetent person that corrupt Erie County allowed attorneys to pull off in 2002 that caused serious defects in the property's title.   

Julie R.

Doesn't anybody know the name of the elderly woman? So how long ago was it that was she forced out of her home on Curran Street? Was that in the 1980's or was that the property that Mr. Arnold obtained in 1997? So how long was she in a nursing home before she passed away? She must have been there for a long time. A house doesn't get sold until all other assets are gone ---  that is, going on the assumption that she wasn't married. Had she been married her house would have been EXEMPT from Medicaid eligibility.

Just out of curiosity, I would really like to do a title search on this deceased lady's property. Just out of curiosity, I think I'm going to do one on the property that Mr. Arnold bought in 1999, too ---- the one that was involved in an INVALID TRANSFER prior to Mr. Arnold buying it.

Julie R.

@ mrmorency: Your spiel about nursing homes and assets that have to be liquidated for an elderly person's care in a nursing home is true if a person is SINGLE. The rules are different for married people. When a married person has to be put into a nursing home the house is EXEMPT from Medicaid eligibility. Even if the house is owned by a married couple tenants-in-common (different than joint ownership) the house is STILL exempt from Medicaid eligibility. Also, when a married person has to be put into a nursing home, in order for the person to become eligible for Medicaid, half of the JOINT ASSETS --- once again, JOINT ASSETS ---- of the couple have to be spent down.

As for a Living Trust ---- you are correct there, too. But if you think for one minute in corrupt Erie County the Living Trust of an elderly person in the end stages of Alzheimers can't be criminally changed, think again. Better make a note of it. 

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BW1

Blacktigress : What about the unpaid rental tax, why didn't the register ask him about that?

That tax applies to hotels, which are a different business category.  You might just as well ask why Avis isn't paying the taxicab tax.

What about all the remodeling that was done ILLEGALLY?

Explain the basis for it being illegal.  Whose property is it anyway?  What's your issue with people improving their homes on their own terms?

What about all those who modernized their homes and was sited by the city for not having permits,

They should have fought it.

DID OR DID HE NOT TAKE OUT BUILDING PERMITS?

It's none of our business.  When you change your hairstyle, do you take out a permit?  In another thread you're complaining that Childrens' Services wields too much power and interference in peoples' lives, and now, all of a sudden you're ready to go all "show us your papers, comrade?"  Make up your mind.

WAS THE WORK DONE BY LICENSED CONTRACTORS?

Again, none of our business.  When a kid comes to school with a new haircut, should the principal open an investigation to see if he was taken to a licensed barber?

The same questions go towards his neighbors, did they do things legally or not?

Because, you know, it just wouldn't DO to have people making decisions for themselves about their own property without consulting Big Brother first, eh, tovarich?  Maybe we should just streamline things, have the city seize all housing within its borders and assign quarters to everybody.  It worked for the fuedal lords of Old England, after all, until some idiots came along a couple hundred years ago and had the audacity to suggest that the common man could actually be trusted with PROPERTY.

I notice the city couldn't just mind their own business and acknowledge property rights, but went with a conditional use permit, sort of like a medieval bishop granting indugences.  Such a dispensation is a tacit declaration that property owners have no true rights, only permissions that can be revoked as easily as they are granted.  How does it feel to be serfs?
 

sanduskysteve

BW1 - A grand show if ignorance there I might say.

You are one who believes break the law as long as no body is looking - right?

The reason they should be paying the proper taxes is because there is a law that says they are supposed to.

The reason there are building permits required to remodel homs is because there is a law that says they are supposed to.

Using licensed contractors is a legal requirement unless you are doing it to your own home for your own use - you cannot do your own work on property you intend not to live in - or rent out, however, becuase you are dealing with the safety of someone else.  Again, these are legal requirements.

If you do not like the laws or ordinances (where the city is concerned) please change them - many people would be behind some of those changes. But, untli them - we still have to obey the laws, or suffer the consequences (if there are any).

There are plenty of other countries to live in which still handle things in the mid-evil methods of Old England.  You should fit right in there.

In the meantime, I'm still waiting for some explainations as to this John thing and those houses.  And someone please tell me how you get properties for FREE.

mrmorency

@JulieR....

With all due respect, you left out a bit about the marriage clause. I'm not familiar with the exact wording of the entire thing, but, I do know a little. Based on experience, personal experience, the person can and will lose their assets regardless of marital status if their partner is deceased. This woman was living alone (except for her cats) so she was either a widow or never married. Which again goes back to what I stated earlier. To touch on the idea that all her finances would have to be used up before seizing the property... do you really think she had a lot to work with? She was reportedly living in sub-standard conditions with (rumored) numbers close to a hundred cats. Chances are it didn't take long to burn through whatever she may have had.

mrmorency

Let's attempt to clear this thing up. The property in question is 722 Curran Street, currently owned by someone other than John Arnold. It was sold 7/16/2009 as a fiduciary deed. For those of us who are unfamiliar with these kind of things like I was, allow me to just give a quick description.

"Essentially, a fiduciary is an individual who has been authorized to handle the financial affairs of another person. This responsibility may have come about due to assuming guardianship of an individual who is no longer capable to manage due to illness or emotional breakdown. In other instances, the fiduciary may have been appointed as a trustee, executor, or conservator for management of the estate of a loved one who has recently passed away. "

From what I can grasp from this is that the current owner, Matthew J Ruff (not John Arnold), purchased this property from the fiduciary of this elderly woman's estate. Now before JulieR says it, it does show the sale as being "not valid". Perhaps someone else can figure that one out. In closing, John Arnold didn't "drag an elederly woman from her home". So, that's not a fact.

BEHAPPY, you seem to be the very opposite of what your name is. Can you prove there was a single cat drowned? Are you mad you weren't invited to his parties? Those are rhetorical questions, I already know the answers. Perhaps you should work on proving these slanderous claims you make. Hiding behind the vail of anonymity seems to embolden you to say whatever it is you've ever heard bad about the Arnold's.

BEHAPPY

@MRMORENCY

It is quite obvious you are either a friend or relative of Mr. Arnolds, if not he himself.   Just an FYI, I do not start or spread rjumors.  There are plenty of people who know of this drowning of cats.  Earlier I posted I did not want to bring up the name of Mr. Arnolds next door neighbor that is also guilty of this animal abuse,  yes you have it , Mr. Ruff.

Can you prove she had ONE HUNDRED cats?  If she did, where are they now?   My, my, how things seem to just fall into place here.  Where are they? Old lady w/ cats, old lady is taken from her home suddenly, cats disappea retc.,  you figure it out. 

You say:  BEHAPPY, you seem to be the very opposite of what your name is. Can you prove there was a single cat drowned? Are you mad you weren't invited to his parties? Those are rhetorical questions, I already know the answers. Perhaps you should work on proving these slanderous claims you make. Hiding behind the vail of anonymity seems to embolden you to say whatever it is you've ever heard bad about the Arnold's

To answer your questions, No, I am not mad because I do not get invited to their parties,  I do not associate with animal abusers.  Very mean, nasty hateful people that will get what's coming to them one way or another.

As for BEHAPPY,  I, sir, am quite happy.  Just because I do not believe in people purposely causing harm/death to cats just because they live in HIS precious neighborhood (other than making one feel like a MAN) does not mean I am not happy.  Drive down his street, do you see any cats?   Bet not.

Maybe you are correct about proof of my "slanderous claims",  maybe the ones who KNOW that this goes on need to get TOGETHER and PROVE it.
 

As for hiding here in anonymity, you do not seem to be doing bad yourself.  Morency, real name?  If so how are you affiliated to these "gentlmen"?   I bet you know what really goes on if you know them so well.  If not, your name here should be "misled" not Mrmorency.

BEHAPPY

BTW, the "old lady" w/ cats, her cats are not the only cats that have "disappeared" around there.  Any cat that dares to walk through that precious street are doomed.

sanduskysteve

bhappy - you really need to get your proof together and not just because you say it's so - you were wrong about him buying the house and forcing her out and killing off her cats.  You could be wrong about the rest of what you say as well.

the answers I was looking for were answered and very well, I might add.  The fact that this John has nothing to do with the demise of the "old lady"'s house kind of puts most of your theory in the toilet doesn't it???

The cats probably run away when the house was opened up.

Bring me proof and I'll begin to see what's going on.

BEHAPPY

You can believe whatever you want to believe SANDUSKYSTEVE.  Makes no difference to me.  Where did I say that   Mr. Arnold bought the house? 

Julie R.

@ mrmorency: First thing I would like to say is--- I know for a fact with the Huron property alone that when the auditor's records state unknown or that a Sale was not valid, what you are looking at is flat-out fraud. And just because this is corrupt Erie County does not mean that fraud is not a criminal offense ---- on property or otherwise.

Second, you say that the current owner of the elderly woman's property at 722 Curran Street is a Matthew Ruff and not John Arnold. You say that Ruff obtained the property from the fudiciary of the elderly woman's estate and you even admitted that the auditor's records show that the sale was not valid. Records I saw showed the following:  In 1987 the property at 722 Curran Street --- Land Only --- was owned by a Marjorie Ritter. There were no other acts upon this property (that I could find, anyway) until 2009 when a Matthew and Diane Ruff bought it and the SELLER is listed as Marjorie Ritter. (is that the elderly woman?) It's also true what you said ---- that Sale is listed as invalid. Another thing it states --- when the Ruffs bought it in 2009 it was not Land Only.  

You also forgot to mention that a Matthew and Diane Ruff also own another property on Curran Street. (713 Curran Street)  Records on that sure are ODD. Records show that on 2-26-1998 a Matthew and Diane Ruff (the Buyers) obtained the property for zero dollars from themselves. (the Sellers)  It states that Sale was ALSO INVALID.     

Another thing I would like to mention ---- I noticed that the Ruffs own a lot more properties in Sandusky then the two they own on Curran Street. What I found very interesting ---- all the rest of their properties have INVALID SALES connected in one way or another to them, too.

sanduskysteve

Julie - I'm not sure that you are asking the right person those questions - shouldn't they be asked of the auditor's office?  And if you don't get the answers you want - when is his job up for reelection?  maybe a new auditor can be more responsive to your questions and investigate the things you don't like.

But, I'm sure that MrMorency will not be able to properly explain or answer those questions you are posing to him.

Make sense?

Julie R.

sanduskysteve: As I'm sure you know, Erie County has a NEW auditor. He wasn't involved in any of these past records.  

mrmorency

Julie, I do not know for sure if that is the elderly womans name. What I can see on the auditors site is the same thing you see. With a wee bit of sense, I can conclude that that is indeed the elderly woman's name since she owned it from 1987-2009. But, I can't prove it.

Does every sale that doesn't have a 'yes' by valid sale mean it somehow isn't a LEGAL sale? I looked up the home I currently own and the owner transfer prior to ours says it's not a "valid sale". Does that mean I don't own by house? Not likely.

I did a little experiment and just for fun I searched for random last names. You would be shocked by what I found. There was a TON of "unknown" and "no" answers to valid sales. Check it out yourself, you may be surprised. Since you're so interested in exposing this obvious corrupt activity perhaps you should keep a list of these addresses and go door to door and let those people know they don't own their property.

 

@ BEHAPPY:

I never said I knew she had that many cats and I certainly never made reference to being able to prove it. I said it was rumored, just like the accusations of abuse. It's all rumors. You can't prove it. I can't prove it. Difference is, I'm not spewing it out as fact, like you did.

As far as my anonymous status, it's hard to hide when I use my REAL last name. My name is Mr. Morency and I can honestly and with clear conscience say that I have never, in my many years of being acquainted with the Arnold family, seen John or any of his family/friends commit any act of animal abuse.

Julie R.

One thing for certain --- the records online alone sure do show a lot of odd things going on with the properties on Curran Street.     

On the auditor's online records it shows that on 1-1-1987, John Arnold and his wife obtained 3 properties on Curran Street --- all Land Only --- for zero dollars from an UNKNOWN SELLER.

On *2-26-1998, it shows that a Matthew & Elizabeth Ruff obtained 1 property on Curran Street --- NOT Land Only --- for zero dollars and they are listed as both the Buyers and the Sellers of the property. (?) That SALE is listed as NOT VALID.

On the recorder's online records it shows that on 4-22-1991, Matthew & Elizabeth Ruff as the Grantees obtained property ( Legal Description: Radcliff Addition First Ward PB 04 P602 Block 3 Curran Street) from John Arnold & wife. (the Grantors)

The next related document to that document (same legal description) was on *2-26-1998.  The Grantee (buyer) on that was Matthew Ruff and the Grantor (seller) was Elizabeth Ruff.  (*Take note of this same date on the auditor's records)   

sanduskysteve

I wonder how much damage it would cause if they ever went back to try to fix all of those records.  How many people would be in some serious trouble over all of this mess.  I can't imagine.

Julie R.

@ mrmorency: Who are the people named SILVA that lived on Curran Street?

mrmorency

Julie.... Is that a loaded question? I don't know anyone with the last name Silva. I'm curious as to why you ask me that. I'm also curious as to why some people have nothing better to do than to investigate someone else and their property purchases.

 

Although I may not be the first to admit it, I don't know everything. I certainly don't know what any of this has to do with the people involved with this story or how these property transactions would prevent him from renting. Julie, you see very eager to get to the bottom of this. Save your questions for someone more suited to answer them, perhaps Mr. Arnold or Mr. Ruff themselves? Or even the Erie County Auditor. I would imagine with your record searching skills you can certainly find a way to contact all three of those gentlemen yourself. From my experience with the first two, they're reasonable people. 

I'm more than willing to provide my opinion or answers to questions I know to be fact.

BEHAPPY

I'm very sorry you that you choose not to believe this Mrmorency.  Nothing I can do about that.  I guess it really doesn't matter if you believe it or not.   I'm also sorry that you  truely believe in your heart that this does not go on with your "friends".   Believe me,  I am one that can truly say I WISH this was not going on as it sickens me more than you know.   But it is, has and probably always will.  Once you start abusing/killing/maiming animals it never ends.   It is a very sad situtation but it is fact. They do not stop until they are caught and maybe not even then.  They will be caught sooner or later.  It can't go on forever as it has already gone on WAY TOO LONG!   As for you being a friend of theirs-sorry.

BEHAPPY

It also sickens me to think of the way those poor living, breathing things  must have/are  suffered with more to join them I'm sure.  Why would I make such a horrible thing up?

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sanduskysteve: BW1 - A grand show if ignorance there I might say.

You might, but a reading comprehension failure on your part doesn't constitute a basis for claiming ignorance on my part.

You are one who believes break the law as long as no body is looking - right?

And just why would you say that?

The reason they should be paying the proper taxes is because there is a law that says they are supposed to.

No, there isn't.  There is a law that says hotels are supposed to. Rental houses are not hotels, any more than Avis is a taxi service.

The reason there are building permits required to remodel homs is because there is a law that says they are supposed to.

And your point is?  

If you do not like the laws or ordinances (where the city is concerned) please change them - many people would be behind some of those changes.

Which is what I advocate.  Are you perhaps confused?  

There are plenty of other countries to live in which still handle things in the mid-evil methods of Old England.  You should fit right in there.

Ah, clearly you ARE confused, and confounded, since you seem to think I prefer what I have condemned.

LadyC

I saw the inside of the elderly woman's house, after she had been taken to a nursing home. If you have ever seen an episode of Hoarders, that is what it looked like.  And the smell was unbelievable. . There was nowhere for her to sit or cook a meal. It was unsafe and unsanitary and the poor old lady needed to be taken out of there to be properly cared for. The house was then condemned.  John did not force her out, nor did he kill cats. And there are still cats on Curran St. There is a long-haired black cat with thinning fur that is always wandering around the area.

You can believe this or not, but it is true. People who have a personal gripe with someone should not spread stories until they get their facts straight.

Julie R.

@ LadyC: So why did YOU go into the house after the elderly lady was taken to a nursing home? What interest did YOU have in the house? (just curious) I'm also curious how she was put into a nursing home to begin with. To do that, somebody would have had to petition the probate court to be her guardian. So WHO was her guardian? I'm also curious as to the nursing home she was taken to. Was it the one owned by corrupt Erie County?

There sure has been a lot of conflicting stories about this lady's property. According to Mr. Arnold's brother, her house was eventually sold at a sheriff sale to Mr. Arnold and a neighbor, who then tore the house down. Yet according to somebody else the house was sold to pay for her care in the nursing home. Yet according to the auditor's records (assuming her name was Marjorie Ritter, that is) her house wasn't sold until 7-16-2009 under a Fudiciary Deed to a Matthew Ruff for only $16,000 and it's also stated in the records that the Sale was Invalid.  (one thing for certain --- there sure are a lot of INVALID SALES going on in Erie County "under the watch" of the Erie County Probate Court)

Julie R.

@mrmorency: Assuming the elderly lady's name was Marjorie Ritter who was Gladys Aust, Edward Aust and Lisa A. Olemacher Aust?

Julie R.

@ mrmorency: If a Marjorie Ritter was the elderly woman with all the cats on Curran Street, who is Gladys Aust? According to the Auditor's online records, a Marjorie Ritter owned the property (Land Only) from 1987 until the Seller (Marjorie Ritter) sold it to Matthew Ruff in 2009 under a Fudiciary Deed ---- yet that Sale says it was NOT Land Only.

On the Recorder's online records it shows that on 1-16-1991 a Gladys Aust (Grantor) transferred something over to an Edward J. Aust and a Marjorie Ritter. (Grantees) The legal description is the Sandusky Land & Building Comp and the addresses that are listed are 313 & 314 Hollyrood Road. It says that one-third interest was given to Edward Aust and two-thirds interest to Marjorie Ritter. This was done under a Deed but it doesn't say what kind of Deed. 

The next related document was only a few weeks later on 2-13-1991. The record there shows that a Marjorie Ritter (Grantor) then transferred her two-thirds interest over to Edward Aust (Grantee) and the legal description is the same. (Sandusky Land & Building Comp)  It also says that the consideration was $24,300.00. That was done under a Deed, too, but it doesn't say what kind.

The next related document then shows that when the property on Curran Street  was sold to Matthew Ruff on 2-16-2009 for $16,000.00 under a Fudiciary Deed the SELLER wasn't just Marjorie Ritter it was also a Lisa A. Olemacher-Aust. 

 

BEHAPPY

LADYC,   I am not a liar.  I believe the cat with long black hair belongs to one of your neighbors.    Maybe they know they better not make that one disapear.  I have no personal gripe except for this one. As for believing you, I don't because I know this is fact.  Nice try though.   I pray to GOD there are no other cats in that neighborhood!    And yes, why did you go into that house?

Julie R.

@ mrmorency: You said that you picked out a bunch names at random and there were a ton of "unknowns" and "no" answers to valid sales.

All I can say for that is --- I know for a FACT that the property in Huron sold at a court-ordered Erie County scam sheriff sale that states "NO" under Valid Sale WAS invalid.  I know for a FACT also that the transfer of the elderly 1st owner's half a short time before her death that states "unknown" under Valid Sale was flat-out FRAUD.

So I would have to say that there's a 99% chance that all the rest of the documents in the auditor's office that state "UNKNOWN" and "NO" under Valid Sale were also in involved in FRAUD. And once again, these records were all PRIOR to the NEW Erie County auditor.   

LadyC

I know nothing about the old lady herself, not even her name. I clean houses in the area and went in shortly before the inside was gutted. I don't know anything about titles, deeds, fidiciaries, invalid sales, or anything else pertaining to the house.

mrmorency

Once again, Julie, you're barking up the wrong tree. Why and how would I know anything about an Aust family? Or a Silva family? Like I told you, ask the questions you have to someone more suited to answer them.  Your habit of asking the wrong person to answer your questions doesn't make your cause just. For you to assume I know anything more than what I can see as public record is absurd.

I noticed you said "Yet according to somebody else the house was sold to pay for her care in the nursing home"...... if this is referring to me I need to clear something up with you.

I never said this was absolutely the case nor did I infer this was the situation. I merely stated that this was a possible cause. Possible. Please, if you're going to cite my comments atleast use them in proper context.

mrmorency

Julie, just so you know this article, this comment thread and our current course of debate has little to do with your conspiracy theory about a sale in Huron.

If I may make a small suggestion to you....

Either take your concerns through the proper channels or get over it. For you to come on to this website and constantly make reference to the same old situation is not only getting old but it's making you look foolish. Have you not noticed the sarcastic and down-grading remarks made towards you? It's time for you to "get real". Not everything that happens in Erie County is because of some grande scheme to steal property from the elderly and sell it at auction. We get it... you feel wronged by someone and/or something that has happened through our court system. Good news! The nice thing about the United States Judicial system is that you can always appeal to a higher power, that is, if your case is legit.

Far too often I get the impression that whatever you don't understand is, in your mind, somehow a plot against you. i guess I'm finally seeing the "mothership theory" that everyone refers to you with. I hope for your sake that you will someday remove your aluminum foil helmet and see that no one is out to get you, me or the random senior citizen.

LadyC

@BEHAPPY--Assuming YOU are a neighbor since you seem to have seen all this cat killing and forcing the old lady out of her home, why didn't YOU step in to help, why didn't YOU even know the old lady's name or try to help her while she was living there? Real great neighbor! And why didn't YOU call the Humane Society? Could it be because your allegations have no basis?

@Julie--MrMorency said it well; you seem to think there is this huge conspiracy going on in reference to properties in the area. What business do YOU have in the area or in this neighborhood? You seem to be hell-bent on creating a huge saga out of a property transaction that probably has nothing to do with you. Perhaps your time would be better spent on something positive.

Julie R.

@ mrmorency: Sorry, but that's no conspiracy about the sale of the house in Huron that's now being used as rental property. That's a fact not to mention a matter of public record. I should know --- I was one of the inherited owners. I also have the Title Search Report that was done by Lawyers Title for the realtor that bought it at that scam court-ordered Erie County sheriff sale --- the Report showing why he was being denied title insurance. Would you like me to post it in its entirety? Take note that the Title Search Report says the very same thing as the auditor's online records --- the sheriff sale of the property was invalid. And it sure was! Now take note that the auditor's online records under Valid Sale of the 1st owner's half states "Unknown". No, it wasn't. It was flat-out fraud. Why do you think he was denied title insurance?   

I would be curious to know how many of the rental properties on Curran Street would be able to be sold through normal channels tomorrow if they wanted to sell them. By normal channels, I mean --- as we all know when you go through a realtor to buy a house prior to closing the bank requires a title search to be done, right? As we also know, no bank around would ever give out a loan on property if a title company refuses to insure the title. I would be curious to know that about ALL the rental properties in Sandusky. 

Julie R.

@ LadyC: Instead of telling me to spend my time on something positive, maybe you should take your own advice. I sure would never be ignorant enough to go into an elderly person's house after she was put into a nursing home only to then say negative things about her. If she had as many cats as you people are claiming she did, the poor soul obviously had something serious going on, like dementia or something. You people on Curran Street sure do appear to have a real lack of  compassion for the elderly and the way I see it anybody cruel enough to have a lack of compassion there just might also be cruel enough to have a lack of compassion for the animals she had.

LadyC

Julie R.---You twisted my words. I described the deplorable conditions she had been living in, not in a cruel way at all. No human or animal should have been living in there, and she had probably reached the point that she was unable to care for herself or her pets. I do not live on Curran St, and I am not ignorant. I was in the area that day and knew the people gutting the house. Curious, yes, cruel, no. It saddened me but it was after the fact. There are probably a lot more people that we don't know about living that way. I didn't know her, didn't see her cats, and didn't say anything negative about her at all.

BEHAPPY

@LADYC,  I am not a neighbor for your information.   You say you did  not see her cats?  I BET you didn't.

LadyC

So, then, BEHAPPY, how is it you saw him drowning cats, or claim to know that there are no cats on Curran St. (which there ARE) ?? Hearsay, perhaps?? Or total BS???

BEHAPPY

For  being JUST a cleaning lady that JUST happened to go into that womans house AFTER THE FACT to clean it, sure seems like you are awful touchy for them.  It is neither hearsay or BS it is called FACT and if you are so "close" do not pretend you do not know it or maybe you don't know them as well as you think??   So get off of my A$$ you know I'm telling the truth.   Do you want me to get others I know that know about this to start blogging the truth here?  I bet not!

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BEHAPPY : It is neither hearsay or BS it is called FACT

No, it's an ALLEGATION, one for which you've offered no evidence.  All you've offered is the naked assertion that "plenty of people 'know' about it"  I can show you plenty of people who "know" about alien abductions, or that 9/11 was an inside job, or that the Apollo landings were faked.  From what I see in this thread, you're not even willing to claim that you've seen these cat killings with your own eyes.  Has anyone seen them?:  It's been at least 4 years that almost every cellphone on the market has had video capability - so it would seem that anyone with FIRST HAND knowledge could produce video evidence of this.  Either you have evidence or you don't.  Put up or shut up, because unless you produce some evidence, you're just another crackpot with an axe to grind.  

FACTS are established by EVIDENCE, not rumors, and so far all you've done here are repeat rumors, rumors that "plenty of people" supposedly "know"  The Spanish Inquisition had more stringent standards of proof than that.

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Julie R.: Sorry, but that's no conspiracy about the sale of the house in Huron that's now being used as rental property. That's a fact not to mention a matter of public record.

Julie, you don't even understand the vocabulary you're abusing.  Whether or not it's true has nothing to do with its being a conspiracy, and your OWN description of the situation points to a conspiracy, since you've clearly said several people were involved and cooperated in it.   Even newcomers are starting to notice your need to hijack every thread and make it about your own personal tale of woe.  Enough already - everyone who reads the Register website now knows your story that some sleazy lawyers conspired with county officials to cheat you out of your inheritance.  The Register staff knows it, and apparently they are not interested in investigating it.

You need to step back and contemplate what exactly you're trying to accomplish at this point, and whether your actions have any positive impact on achieving your goals.  It's time for you to either find a more effective, productive approach, or get over it.  Take your documentation to the Register in person, or take it to Marcie Kaptur or ANYONE.  All you're doing here is damaging your own credibility, and insuring that no one who can help you will take you seriously.

Julie R.

Had I not seen the comment first about drowning the cats of an elderly woman that somebody said was forced out of her home on Curran Street, I probably never would have even commented on this story. Like who really cares that Mr. Arnold and five residents of Cedar Point Road were given approval to keep renting out their properties as tourist rentals. We all knew they would --- after all, who lives on Cedar Point Road but the lawyers, judges and even your Erie County prosecutor.

Had I then not seen the comment that the elderly woman's property was sold at a sheriff sale --- which caught my interest right away --- I probably never would have checked out the auditor and recorder's online records, either. Nevertheless, I did --- and I must say I sure was surpised to see all those "unknowns" and all those "invalid sales" pertaining to property on Curran Street. Looked exactly like the auditor's online records for the Huron property that the joke Erie County courts forced to be sold at an invalid scam sheriff sale because they knew the property after the death of the 2nd owner in 2005 could not be sold through normal channels unless the attorneys and the other morons followed the LAW  --- which meant they would have to acknowledge the fraud they committed on the elderly, incompetent 1st owner's half a few months prior to her death in 2002 so the property could be put back into her probate estate and sold with a clear title. 

http://erie.iviewauditor.com/Data.aspx?ParcelID=42-01072.000  

BEHAPPY

BW, I really don't care what you believe.  Who says I have no proof?  If you really know these people you KNOW this is going on so why come here and try to make me out to be a liar?  Make others believe I am?  I really don't care.  What would I have to gain by making up such a horrible thing?  People can believe whatever they want.

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BEHAPPY : Who says I have no proof?

YOU do, by failing to produce it.  We're all waiting, but you've produced nothing.

If you really know these people you KNOW this is going on

That's hearsay and rumor.  Saying it over and over doesn't make it true.

so why come here and try to make me out to be a liar?  Make others believe I am?

I'm not - I don't have to - YOU are doing that all by yourself.  

What would I have to gain by making up such a horrible thing?  

Who knows?  You could have a grudge for any number of reasons.  Maybe he didn't pick you for his baseball team when you were both 7.  Maybe you lost a cat and you need someone to blame, and he's handy.  Maybe you're just crazy.  It really doesn't matter what your motive is, you can't just go around publicly accusing someone in print  of heinous acts without some sort of proof - that's called libel.

BEHAPPY

You are so defensive I would swear you are Mr. Arnold himslef, maybe Mr. Ruff? Maybe a relative?   Why else would you care?.   What kind of proof would you like me to supply here?  I have already stated in the past EXACTLY how it is done.  You say cell phone pics?  How would you like me to do that here?   What kind of proof do you want here on these blogs, I'll see if I can help you out.

BEHAPPY

Libel, you say?   I'm not the bad guy in this situation here.  There are laws on animal cruelty,  ya know?

Julie R.

According to the Tax Map office, the property at 722 Curran Street (the one somebody said was owned by the elderly woman) --- that property was owned by a Kristine (sp) Ritter and a Marjorie Ritter from 1945 until 1968. From 1968 until 2009 it was owned by Marjorie Ritter.  In 2009 it was sold to a Matthew Rufff under a Fudiciary Deed and the sellers were Marjorie Ritter and a Lisa A. Olehmacher-Aust. The Sales prior to 2009 are listed as VALID but the 2009 Sale to Matthew Ruff is listed as INVALID.

Just out of curiosity, I'm going to find out WHY the 2009 Sale was invalid. That should be a matter of public record.  

Julie R.

Considering all the criminal activity including Medicaid fraud that went on during the short time the elderly, totally incompetent 1st owner to the Huron property was in a nursing home ---- fraud power of attorneys, fraud Wills, fraudulent transfer of her property, internal criminal changes to contracts, etc., etc., etc. ---- I wouldn't doubt for a minute that the same criminal crap went on when the elderly woman from Curran Street was in a nursing home.

BEHAPPY

Go awful quiet in here????      Offer to help them out if they let me know what kind of proof they would like here and it gets quiet.  strange.

BEHAPPY

Sorry, meant to say *goT* awful quiet

LadyC

Yes, BEHAPPY, lets BEQUIET.

DGMutley

 Actually, I find Julie R.'s experiences interesting to read.  She is very knowledgeable.

LadyC

OK, I called the county treasurer's office to ask what the difference is between a valid and invalid sale. An invalid sale is simply one that was not sold at fair-market value, such as in a bank-owned, foreclosure, or sale to a relative. The price does not reflect its market value, in other words. Does not mean that the title is not good or valid, just has to do with the price. And yes, Julie is knowledgable, to be fair. Suspicious, but smart. And I may be JUST a cleaning lady (among other things) but I'm no dummy either. I have a rental myself (NOT on Curran St. OR in Huron), bought from a bank, and it says that on mine, too. There is title insurance, and the title is clear. Just some FYI.

Julie R.

@ LadyC: You're correct. I was basically told the same thing by the auditor's office. Sales of property can be listed as invalid for a number of reasons.  As for the property at 722 Curran Street (that I assume was owned by the elderly lady with all the cats) that was sold to a Matthew Ruff in 2009 under a Fudiciary Deed --- she said that Sale might be listed as invalid because it was sold by a family member or maybe sold for less than it's value. Nevertheless, I think I'm still going to do a title search on it just out of curiosity. I'm really curious to know if it was really sold at a sheriff sale like Mr. Arnold's brother said it was. 

As for foreclosures --- she said those are listed as invalid because they are sold at a substantial discount in comparison to the tax base or whatever on them. The example she used --- an $80,000.00 house gets sold at a sheriff sale for only $20,000.00. 

As for the property in Huron ---- she had no explanation at all for that one. That's because she said houses get sold at sheriff sales because of foreclosures --- she never heard of a house being sold at a sheriff sale through a partition action.  Of course she didn't. That's because that was an illegal scam pulled off by attorneys and the Eeerie County courts. They knew the property couldn't be sold through normal channels after the 2nd owner's death because a title search would find the FRAUD committed on the 1st owner's half. So they came up with a devious plot to sell the property with serious defects in the title instead at a scam invalid sheriff sale through a scam partition action and a fraud preliminary judicial report.   

Julie R.

@ LadyC: When you went into the elderly lady's house before it was gutted (as you said) what year was that? Was that done after the house was sold in 2009 or was that after she was put into a nursing home? If it was done after she was put into a nursing home how did they ever get away with gutting her house?  

BEHAPPY

Oh My, I must have struck a nerve on LADY ( I could think of a better name) Buuut we won't go there.   Tell me, if you are not one of these crooks/animal abusers listed or a relative, why are you so touchy?  Is it because you know I am telling the truth and you want no one else to know so lets just try to shut me up?  Well, you just try and do that then.  You go JULIE R.  Maybe you can get some answers since we are all avoiding the animal abuse issue but don't bet on it.  It's ok for them to do whatever they want because they didn't pay 1 million dollars for their home so they can do whatever they please. I found that very interesting.  Somebody has someone in their back pocket for some reason.  It's just a matter of time before I find someone outside of Erie County that will protect a cat if they just so happen to be  unfortunate enough to walk down HIS  precious (not) street.   Arnold Avenue sounds much better than Curran Street to me, that will be next. Let's all just put a buoy or an anchor in our front yards and well can all have our streets named after us. Even you Miss Lady

LadyC

Julie--It was in the summer , and  the house had been condemned for awhile before that, in the late winter or spring. I am not 100 percent sure that she specifically went to a nursing home, but I believe someone told me that when I asked what happened to her. I didn't clean her house, just looked through before it was gutted. Nobody lives there now.

LadyC

BEHAPPY-----You BECRAZY

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BEHAPPY : Libel, you say? I'm not the bad guy in this situation here.

Says who?  You?  And just who the heck are you that the public, the courts, etc. should take your word for it that you're the good guy?  You're an anonymous (for now) voice on the internet.  Take a look around you.  There are anonymous voices out there claiming Elvis is alive. What makes you any different?  The only difference is they are harmless, whereas you are accusing known people of crimes and damaging their reputation

So, if the person you're accusing does bring a libel action against you, what's your defense?  "I'm not the bad guy?"  The judge will wet his pants laughing at that.

There are laws on animal cruelty, ya know?

Yes, and there are also laws on publicly and frivolously accusing people of crimes and heinous acts.  If you post online that person X molests little boys, person X can haul your behind into court and take everything you own, UNLESS you can PROVE what you posted is true.  

You are so defensive I would swear you are Mr. Arnold himslef, maybe Mr. Ruff? Maybe a relative?

Nice try, but prior to reading this claim of yours, I didn't even know the name of the individual you are accusing - which one are you alleging is the cat killer?

Why else would you care?.

Why would you care?   Are you related, perhaps conjugally, to one of the missing cats?  I care about living in a nation of laws where people's lives aren't ruined by rumors from crackpots, and you've provided absolutely no reason to believe that's not what's going on here.

What kind of proof would you like me to supply here? I have already stated in the past EXACTLY how it is done.

I'm beginning to wonder if you understand what evidence and proof mean.  Description of HOW something is done says NOTHING about IF it was done, or WHO may have done it.  People claiming alien abduction provide vivid, detailed descriptions of the process - does that make it true?

You say cell phone pics? How would you like me to do that here? What kind of proof do you want here on these blogs, I'll see if I can help you out.

You're getting ahead of yourself.  You haven't said that pictures or video EXIST.  If you had, then a way to share them could be worked out. Heck, I don't see where you've claimed to have seen these crimes with your own eyes, or, for that matter to know someone else who's see it and is willing to go on record.  You haven't even claimed to have seen the tools of the crime.

For starters:

-is there ANYONE who has seen these acts being committed, and are they willing to say so publicly, and testify, if necessary?

-is there any PHYSICAL EVIDENCE, such as traps, cat remains, etc.?

-are you now saying that photos or videos DO exist?  If the activity is ongoing, do you think you could GET some? 

You and others have gone on for some time here that someone on Curran Street is getting away with cat genocide.  All you've accomplished so far is setting yourselves up for a libel suit.  The question is when any of you will sit down, think things through, and come up with a course of action that has a snowball's chance in hell of being effective to achieve your goals, which presumably are to have the responsible parties punished. Getting real evidence would be a start.  You can get an automatic motion activated night vision camera for less than $100.  Or you can just keep screaming unsupported accusations on the web.  How's that working out for you?  Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is alternatively given as the definition of insanity and/or stupidity.

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Julie, I followed your link to the records on the Huron Property,  the 2002 sale was from a man and woman with the same last name, presumably husband and wife, to the man alone, for zero dollars.   You say this is when the "second owner" (presumably the wife) died.   There's nothing there to indicate fraud.  When one spouse dies, the deed reverts to the surviving spouse, and the sale appears in the records just as it does in this case.  

The last name is Meola, not the most common name, and there are four other Meola's listed as property owners in Huron.  It seems reasonable to conclude they are relatives - why are none of them joining in your crusade?

Again, what is the goal that hijacking every thread is supposed to accomplish, and how is this course of action related to achieving this goal?

Julie R.

BW1: What you are seeing in the online records is very misleading. It doesn't even come close to showing all the fraud that was committed on the property --- but if you do a title search you sure will find it. That's why the realtor that obtained the property at that scam Erie County sheriff sale that tried to get title insurance 9 months later (9 months?) was denied.  In fact, one of the employees at the title company wasn't even half-way through reading the report when she made the comment: "My God! This guy will NEVER get title insurance!" 

 

 

LadyC

Julie--I did check out your link and wondered how a sheriff's sale had taken place without a bank. Ususally, the bank forecloses and takes ownership, then it goes to auction, I believe. This had people's names as the sellers, to a sheriff deed. That does seem kind of strange.  I don't know what happens in the case of condemned property, or how the transfer is shown. The house on Curran had been condemned for awhile, a least a few months or more, but it was a person to person sale, the lady and/ or her custodian sold it to Matt. There are a lot of condemned properties around town and I often wondered if they stayed that way because of complicated titles. Like, if the house was fully paid for, a bank wouldn't take it over and sell it, so who does if the owner or their family is no longer alive or around?

BEHAPPY

You people are impossible and quite frankly, not worth my time.  Like I said before, believe what you want to believe.  There is a reason you are so "bent".   And it isn't because you do not know them.    Why are you not worried about discussions of illegal sales but are worried about this issue?  BE----CRAZY?  Nah. 

Julie R.

@ BW1: Just to show how misleading the auditor's online records are:

The records make it look like the property was transferred over to the spouse after the 1st owner's death, making it look like it was joint survivorship. Sorry, but the transfer of the property was seven months before the 1st owner's death when she was totally incompetent. It was transferred under a fraud quitclaims deed that falsely stated a fraud power of attorney concealed in the Lorain County Recorder's office was on file in Erie County. Take note how the auditor's online records doesn't even mention a quitclaims deed. The recorder's online records doesn't mention a power of attorney, either.

Also, the 1st owner's half would not have transferred over to her spouse after her death, anyway. Instead it would have become a part of her probate estate.  That's because the property was owned one-half undivided, tenants-in-common which is totally different than joint ownership. Lots of married people in 2nd marriages own their properties in this manner.  It's a smart move ---- that is,  if you don't live in corrupt Erie County.    

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BEHAPPY : You people are impossible and quite frankly, not worth my time. Like I said before, believe what you want to believe.

But, but......what about the kitties?

What's impossible is getting you to comprehend that in the real world, it's about what you can prove. 

Julie R.

@ LadyC: The property in Huron sure wasn't condemned and as you can see it sure wasn't sold at a sheriff sale through foreclosure, either. Once again, it was sold at a court-ordered scam sheriff sale because it had serious defects in the title caused by the fraud on the 1st owner's half and the joke courts knew if the defects weren't cleared up and the property put back into the correct owner's probate estate then it couldn't be sold through normal channels. Also, the SELLERS that are listed are the ones that CAUSED the serious defects.  

That's why ~ just out of curosity ~ I'm going to do a title search on that property on Curran Street that belonged to the elderly woman. When it comes to corrupt Erie County I wouldn't trust anything they do with the property of the elderly --- but then I wouldn't trust what they allow attorneys and other dirt bags to do to the elderly PERIOD! 

Julie R.

@ BW1: I think your comment to BEHAPPY is nasty. I also think there's some truth to what happened to the elderly woman's cats --- and if so THAT was despicable.  

BEHAPPY

Thank you JULIER for acting like a compassionate human being.  Be careful, they call you crazy if you have compassion.  Also, it has not been just her cats.  Now I am done here.  I will spend my energy taking care of what needs to be done.  GOD bless and good luck JULIER

Julie R.

@ LadyC: Considering how you asked the question --- if a house is fully paid for, a bank couldn't take it over and sell it, so who does it if the owner and the family is no longer alive or around to sell it --- were you maybe trying to imply that was the case of the property that belonged to the elderly woman, Marjorie Ritter? If so, who was Lisa A. Olemacher-Aust that records show sold the property of a Marjorie Ritter in 2009 under a Fudiciary Deed? Who also was a Gladys Aust and a Matthew Aust? Records show they had something to do with something pertaining to property and a Marjorie Ritter in 2001. Were all those people the family members of the elderly woman? Also, I still can't find anything online that the property at 722 Curran Street was sold at a sheriff sale. But then once again that doesn't mean that it wasn't because I showed proof with the Huron property alone how misleading property records are in Erie County. Wonder how much of the information on the Curran Street property of the elderly woman will turn out to be misleading or maybe even omitted?  

LadyC

Julie--not making any implications, I simply don't know. If the elderly woman was Marjorie, the Austs involved might have been relatives. I do know that the house had been condemned for at least a few months prior to it being sold. Someone else on here said at a sheriff's auction, but they may have been mistaken. I don't know how condemned properties are sold. I actually see a few around town with both Condemned signs and realtor's For Sale signs on them. How on earth would someone be able to get financing on a condemned house? Strange stuff. I do not think that the other person on here was correct when they had those big bold letters saying that the elderly woman was dragged from her house because the Arnolds didn't like cats. I mean, they had lived across the street from each other for 20 plus years. The house is still empty to this day, so I don't believe it was a hostile takeover, simply that the woman was too frail to stay in there any longer. It really needed a lot of work, and she and her pets could have gotten seriously injured or ill from the condition of it. And there was no way to tell how many cats had been in there either. I could have been a lot or maybe just a few that hadn't been cleaned up after for a long time. I think a lot of rumors went around and got bigger as they went. So far, I am the only one on here that can actually say that I witnessed anything, and that was the condition of the house. Marjorie (?) the elderly lady, may even still be alive for all we know.

Julie R.

LadyC:  I don't know anything about condemned houses but I know how the realtor got financing for the house in Huron that he bought at a SCAM court-ordered Erie County sheriff sale to use as rental property. Public records show he took out Home Equity Loans on his other properties. He also set the property up in an LLC before the joke common pleas court transferred that joke Sheriff Sale Deed over to him. After that was all done that's when his idiot Sandusky attorneys whined that he tried to get title insurance and was denied.

That said --- I noticed that John Arnold and Matthew Ruff sure do own enough properties in Sandusky. Are they realtors? Arnold owns five properties on Curran Street --- 4 single-family residences and 1 vacant land ---- and Ruff owns 4 properties --- 2 on Curran Street, one on Billman and a Chesapeake Loft condo.  I also noticed that the property on Billman was sold under a Fudiciary Deed and it states UNKNOWN under Valid Sale. Same with the condo. Under DEED TYPE it states UNKNOWN and under VALID SALE it states UNKNOWN. 

Just out of curiosity, I guess I'm going to have to call the auditor's office again and ask why they put UNKNOWN under not just VALID SALES but even DEED TYPES.   

LadyC

Julie--hmm, not sure where Billman is but I think it is off First, maybe one of the streets that are boathouses. I think one of John's is a boathouse too. There are quite a few at the far end of Curran. The street used to be very run down, way back in the 70s and 80s from what I remember. I didn't live nearby, but had seen it a couple times.  Maybe he bought them cheap and fixed them up.

As for yours, it already went to court? And the property was a premarital asset of First Owner? Wow, that is messed up if you are one of the first owner's children. I can see why you would be upset. Now, if there is no title insurance on that property, does that mean that the ownership could still be contested, appealed, or whatever? That is way beyond my scope of knowledge, but it doesn't sound right. And what is a fudiciary deed exactly? Like a Power of Attorney or Executor sells it rather than the owner?

 

Julie R.

@ LadyC: 

 A fudiciary deed works when there is a sale of property which requires a deed in order to complete the sale. The fudiciary may have authority to sell estate property and must sign all related property, including the deed. A fudiciary deed means the party signing the deed will not be the individual or company that holds title to the property, but someone who has been court appointed to handle disposition of the owner's property and the deed must be prepared by a lawyer. (that's a red flag in itself) Absent from a fudiciary deed are the typical warranties as to title that would be included in a general warranty deed or a limited warranty deed. 

One of the comments about fudiciary deeds: 

"Run, don't walk. Stay away. It will bring nothing but grief long after you're dead and please don't let any lawyer tell you otherwise."  

Julie R.

@ LadyC: You didn't answer the question --- that is, if you know the answer. Why does John Arnold and Matthew Ruff own so many properties in Sandusky? Are they realtors? Between the two of them, they own 7 properties alone on Curran Street plus property on Billman plus a Chesapeake condo. Not that I much care but why would anybody --- even a realtor --- even WANT to own that many properties. Also, a lot of those properties were sold under a fudiciary deed and absent from fudiciary deeds are typical warranties to the title. 

Once again, I sure would be curious to know how many of the rental properties in Sandusky and elsewhere in Erie County could be sold tomorrow with a clear title if the owners wanted to sell them. I know for a FACT the Huron property that was sold at a court-ordered scam Erie County sheriff sale couldn't be.     

Julie R.

LadyC: The property in Huron wasn't a premarital asset. The 1st owner and her second husband had the house built years ago when they got married.  They owned the property for over 40 years and for 30 or more of those years they owned it scot-free and clear of a mortgage --- and there certainly was never any back taxes owing. So how does property like THAT end up getting sold at a sheriff sale at a substantial discount to a realtor to use as rental property?

Once again, the auditor's records on the Huron property sure are deceiving. The 1st owner's half wasn't transferred over to the spouse after her death. The date listed is seven months PRIOR to her death and the property was transferred under a quitclaims deed that falsely stated a power of attorney was on file in the Erie County Recorder's office. Also once again, the property wasn't joint surviorship which means the property would not have transferred over to the spouse after the 1st owner's death, anyway.  

Also take note in the auditor's records that the realtor was given a Sheriff Sale Deed.

A Sheriff Sale Deed is a document giving ownership rights in property to a buyer at a sheriff sale held by the sheriff to pay a court judgment against the owner of property in foreclosure of a mortgage.

Considering how the property sure wasn't sold through foreclosure, one might have to wonder why Sheriff Lyons gave the buyer a Sheriff Sale Deed.

LadyC

Julie-John isn't a realtor, but I don't know about Matt. They reside on Curran, and a couple of John's other ones are rentals and a boathouse. A few were fixer-uppers, possibly also condemned at one time.

As for the scam sheriff sale in your family's home, could it be appealed, or re-opened?  The Erie county property records were seriously backlogged when the lady that took care of them (Clerk of Courts?) was very ill and later passed away, while holding office. The woman that took her place is supposed to be trying to organize all the records. It was in the paper a while back, maybe a few months ago. I don't know if that would have anything to do with your case, but there may be some hard copies or deed records in there that pertain to it, that haven't been properly recorded yet. Good luck if you decide to pursue anything with it.

 

Julie R.

@ LadyC:

What do the records in the Clerk of Courts office have to do with the idiot Erie County courts forcing property with serious defects in the title to be sold at a sheriff sale for no other reason than --- the idiots knew if the defects in the title weren't cleared up (meaning if the fraud on the 1st owner's half wasn't acknowledged and the property put back into the correct owner's probate estate) then it couldn't be sold through normal channels. Of course on the flip side of the coin, according to some well-known Norwalk attorney, the idiots in Erie County couldn't sell it at a sheriff sale, either, with serious defects in the title like that ---- but I guess that's beside the point.    

Oh by the way, I noticed on the realtor's website --- the one that bought the Huron property ---- he said he's a proud owner of property in Sandusky, Huron and Kelleys Island. Just for the fun of it, why don't you call him up and ask him if he would be interested in selling the Huron rental property he's so proud of. (chuckle-chuckle)  

LadyC

Julie--I don't know, the whole thing is beyond anything I ever heard of. Someone must have known someone else and pushed the sheriff's sale through, or the records were not gone through properly for them to know better than to do that. Wow, don't know what else to say. If it is true that what comes around goes around, they may get theirs someday.

Julie R.

LadyC:  Once again, the Clerk of Court's office has nothing to do with what the Erie County Courts and snake attorneys pull off so thinking that the Clerk of Court's office filed records improperly to push a sheriff sale through is ridiculous. The only job of the Clerk of Courts when it comes to the courts is filing whatever they are given to file pertaining to the Common Pleas Courts of Roger Binette and Tygh Tone. On the other hand, they are NOT the Clerk of Courts for the Probate Court --- the Clerk of Court for that Court is the Probate Court JUDGE.   

The only ones -- and I repeat the only ones --- that pushed a sheriff sale of the Huron property through knowing the property had a defective title was the Common Pleas Court working in collusion with snake attorneys and the Probate Court and that was a SCAM from the get-go. Like a Norwalk attorney said --- they couldn't sell property with serious defects in the title like that at a sheriff sale, those defects had to be cleared up and the property had to be put back into the correct owner's probate estate so it could be sold with a clear title. 

LadyC

Julie--Well, I don't have knowledge of all the inner workings of the system, but I have learned quite a bit from these bloggings. Not much else to say, but good luck if you are fighting the powers that be. May the snakes and scammers get what the deserve!

Julie R.

I have nothing more to say on this subject other than I learned a lot myself.  I learned just by checking out the Erie County auditor and recorder's online records that there sure are a lot of rental properties in Sandusky that were sold under fudiciary deeds. From my research on it, fudiciary deeds are about as shady ---- or should I say FRAUDULENT ---- as the JOKE sheriff sale deed that was given to the buyer of the Huron property.

Julie R.

About the elderly lady on Curran Street who was crucified because of all the cats she had ---- here's a recent story about another elderly woman from Cleveland, Ohio.

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2012/02/cat_rescuer_dorothy_max_dies_a.html